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Send a free fax

https://www.lifewire.com/free-fax-services-2378048

Copy cyrillic webpage names

https://www.webatic.com/url-convertor

Calendar

https://www.calendarpedia.com/calendars/october-2022-calendar.html

VPN

FREE VPN for Windows PC Download in 2021 - BETTERNET.co - entire internet

Download programs

windows 10 change mouse visible

Make your mouse more visible by changing the color and size of the mouse pointer.

Start button

Settings >

Ease of Access >

Cursor & pointer , and

choose the options that work best for you.

Desktop programs downloaded and installed

Programs downloaded



Bulk rename utility Bulk file rename utility

Firefox Need to get rid of "ImportEnterpriseRoots" Certificate

https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/utbtdl/need_to_get_rid_of_importenterpriseroots

The two ways to lock a preference are:

(1) Enterprise Policy -- check about:policies

This can be done by dropping a file: https://support.mozilla.org/kb/customizing-firefox-using-policiesjson

(2) Autoconfig

This is done by dropping two files: https://support.mozilla.org/kb/customizing-firefox-using-autoconfig

What is "ImportEnterpriseRoots" Certificate

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1306557

This is a pretty common question that gets asked here.

The ImportEnterpriseRoots policy is setup by a lot of security programs (antivirus, firewall, etc). Security programs often use this policy so that they can view incoming secure connections to check that the content is safe, without triggering error messages in Firefox.

That policy has no impact on what settings you will be able to use in Firefox. It will cause the "Your computer is being managed by your organization" warning message to appear on top of the settings page, but that's it.

Removing that policy from your computer often causes your security program to stop working and/or will cause issues in Firefox when loading some websites.

Hope this clears things up for you.


Telegram

Telegram discussion group with "chat history for new members"

Called Discussion button

scrape users in telegram

Export telegram contacts on pc windows

How to Export Telegram Contacts and Group Members (PC) Download and install Telegram for Windows/Mac on PC. 

Launch Telegram on your PC and login to your account using Phone Number or QR code.

After successful login, it will take you to the Dashboard where you find the list of the conversations, here

  1. tap on the three lines icon at the top on PC.
  2. It will open a new menu with the list of options, select Settings.
  3. Next, click on Advanced as shown in the below image.
  4. Scroll down to the last and tap on the Export Telegram Data.
  5. After that, select the data you want to export from Telegram. Just select the Account Information and Contact list option.
  6. Scroll down and select the location where you want to download the data and select Human-readable HTML format. Tap on the Export.

VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M6LRDTIPjE&t=42s&ab_channel=SmartFixer

upload video anonymously drag and drop

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/free-anonymous-file-sharing-services-which-allow-you-to-share-files-without-creating-an-account

https://www.veed.io/send-video

VLC MEDIA PLAYER

VLC


ActivePresenter

Record screen with video.

Excellent! Downloaded from RuTracker.org August 28 2022 only 44 MB.

https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6002607

How to Export ActivePresenter Projects to Videos

https://atomisystems.com/tutorials/export-activepresenter-projects-videos/

8 Best Screen Recorders for Windows 10 in 2022- Free & Paid

https://atomisystems.com/screencasting/record-screen-windows-10/

Bulk converting audio files into one

DOESNT WORK

VSDC Pro Video Editor 7.1

RuTracker.ORG

19 Best Free Software to Batch Convert WMA To MP3 for Windows https://listoffreeware.com/free-software-batch-convert-wma-to-mp3-windows/

AnyMP4 MXF Converter 8.0.10 RePack (& Portable) by TryRooM [2020,Multi/Ru]

https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5956123

https://www.google.com/search?q=unlock+%22wma%22+protected+files


10 ways to bulk convert audio files into one

From: https://multimedia.easeus.com/video-editing-tips/audio-joiner.html#part3

3. Copy Command on Windows

Platform: Windows

Windows allows you to merge audio from the command prompt. Here is the command you can use is as follows:

copy /b *.mp3 c:\merged.mp3

The command above means it will find all MP3 files in the directory and join them into the merged.mp3 file.

If you want to add only a few files add them accordingly using a "+" sign in between.

Pros

No need to install a software

The simplest way to merge audio files without losing quality

Cons

Not possible to edit the files

No way to change the format of the output file

Cumbersome to use.

VLC

Source: https://www.videoproc.com/audio-editor/best-audio-mergers.htm


3. How to Merge MP3 Files on Windows 10 with VLC

VLC is an open-source free program that you can free access to. Based on its introduction of how to merge videos, we have tested its capability of combining audio files, and it turns out to be feasible as well. Before we kick off, you need to make sure that all of your audio files have the file extension of .mp3. Otherwise, this method may not work for you. (Notice: if you have different formatted audio files such as .flac and .mp3, see the workaround.)

Step 1. Download and install VLC on your computer.

You are recommended to install VLC locally by its default route.

Step 2. Use the keyboard shortcuts

Win+X > click Command Prompt in the pop-up list.

Or, use the hotkey combination

Win+R to open Run >

type cmd in the box >

hit Enter

Then the Command Prompt will be opened as well.

Run Command Prompt

[Win+R] > cmd to run Command Prompt

Step 3. In the Command Prompt, enter the command: cd c:\mp3, then hit the Enter key.

Sidenote: The c:\mp3 command is the file folder directory where your mp3 audio files are kept. If your audio files are kept on C disk, c:\ file location

Step 4: There will be c:\mp3> command already existing, copy and paste commands as follows:

"C:\PROGRAMFILES\VideoLAN\VLC\vlc.exe" -vv 1.mp3 2.mp3 --sout-keep --sout=#gather:transcode{acodec=mp3,ab=128}:standard{access=file,mux=dummy,dst=combinedout.mp3}

Sidenotes:
1. C:\PROGRAMFILES\VideoLAN\VLC\vlc.exe command refers to the directory path where the VLC launching program is located in your Windows computer, which is also the default path of VLC setup. Change it if you've set a different destination path for your VLC installation.
2. The 1.mp3 2.mp3 command refers to the filename of your audio tracks. Customize the part based on your personal demands.
3. The combinedout.mp3 command refers to the file name of the combined file. You can change it to the one you like.

Reset password Change or reset your Windows password

Select Start >

Settings >

Accounts >

Sign-in options .

Under Password, select the Change button and follow the steps.

https://www.rbth.com/articles/2011/12/07/a_rewarding_challenge_13919.html


Download youtube videos in bulk

YouTube Playlist: How to Download YouTube Videos in Bulk

https://gadgets360.com/how-to/features/download-youtube-videos-playlist-bulk-computer-phone-4k-video-downloader-videoder-2279719

Try 4K Video Downloader Today! EXCELLENT

Free Video Downloader Trusted by Millions

https://www.4kdownload.com/products/videodownloader/21


Download YouTube videos that you've uploaded BASTARDS

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/56100?hl=en

how to burn a disk

How to Burn a CD or DVD on Windows 10 https://www.howtogeek.com/689705/how-to-burn-a-cd-or-dvd-on-windows-10/

GRAMFILE

https://gramfile.com/active-iso-burner-download/

Ashampoo Burning Studio Free 1.23.8.0

https://www.majorgeeks.com/mg/getmirror/ashampoo_burning_studio_free,1.html


HP INK TANK WIRELESS

How do I switch between ink tank and cartridge on HP Ink 410 series ?

I want to disable the use of the ink cartridges completely.

Is there any articles or videos on how the HP ink cartridge works when there is tank?  I wanted to buy a printer WITHOUT a ink cartridge.  I did not realize there are  two expensive to replace  ink cartridges inside.

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Printing-Errors-or-Lights-Stuck-Print-Jobs/How-do-I-switch-between-ink-tank-and-cartridge-on-HP-Ink-410/m-p/8414833#M951251

Download whatsapp messages in bulk batch

https://www.unictool.com/whatsapp/export-all-whatsapp-chats-at-once/


How to Take Batch Screenshots or Screencaps in VLC Media Player FEB 1, 2021

https://turbofuture.com/computers/How-to-take-batch-screenshots-or-screencaps-in-VLC-Media-Player

Download all whatsapp contacts in a whatsapp group video

How to Export WhatsApp Group Contacts to Excel？ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll26Ha2Xfs0&t=67s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll26Ha2Xfs0&t=67s

Shortcuts for chrome webpages

Create shortcut on chrome photo.png

subtitles and closed caption freeware

Subtitle Editor

https://nikse.dk/subtitleedit

Subtitle Edit

Overview

Subtitle Edit is a free (open source) editor for video subtitles - a subtitle editor :)

With SE you can easily adjust a subtitle if it is out of sync with the video in several different ways. You can also use SE for making new subtitles from scratch (do use the time-line/waveform/spectrogram) or translating subtitles.

For a list of features see below or check out the Subtitle Edit Help page. On my blog you can download latest beta version and read about/discuss new features.

Also, you can watch a few videos about installing and using Subtitle Edit.

Transfer import facebook to vk

Coding

https://github.com/mekhovov/Export-Posts-from-FB-2-LI-VK/blob/master/export_FB_2_LI_VK.rb


Convert audio m4a to video

https://www.freeconvert.com/m4a-to-mp4/download DOESNT WORK ON YOUTUBE

RUSSIAN SITE https://online-audio-convert.com/ru/m4a-to-mp4/ DOESNT WORK ON YOUTUBE

kdenlive: crop a video

  • kdenlive crop a video
    • Click the zone start icon
    • Click he zone end icon
    • Right click the new zone and extract video

Kdenlive extract zone crop right click.png

merge 2 videos online

Adobe

https://express.adobe.com/tools/merge-videos/#

Quotes background maker

Quotes background maker

Delete portions of a page for printing

  • Print Edit WE
    • To start editing the page:
      • click on the Print Edit WE button on the main toolbar, or
      • select Print Edit WE > Start Editing on the context menu.
    • A blue 'EDIT' (editing) badge will appear on the button.


wifi

WiFi Keeps Disconnecting on Windows 10? Here’s the Fix

Install a Bandwidth Monitor On Your Computer


What's system interrupts high CPU usage in Windows 10

Change Rename Batch Files and Folders in Windows

4 Ways to Batch Rename Files in Windows (USE POWERSHELL)

https://www.maketecheasier.com/batch-rename-files-in-windows/

Doesnt work:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22182409/replace-part-of-file-name-powershell

Rename files by matching partial name (power toys - doesnt work)

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-rename-multiple-files-bulk-windows-10


General:

6 Ways to Rename Files and Folders in Windows 10

https://www.howtogeek.com/665514/6-ways-to-rename-files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

How to set a default Folder View for all folders in Windows 11/10

How to set a default Folder View for all folders in Windows 11/10

  • Open File Explorer by using key combination Windows Key + E and navigate to the folder you want to use as a source for view layout settings.
  • Windows 10, navigate to the View tab in ribbon baron the top and change the settings per your wish. You can change the layout and choose the folder details to display, add extra panes, adjust column width, etc.
  • Once done with the changes, click Options to open the File Explorer Options, earlier called Folder Options. window.
  • Finally, navigate to View tab in Folder Options window.
  • Click/Tap on Apply to Folders button.\

Sections in a taskbar

  1. The Windows TaskBar
  2. The Start Button--Opens the menu.
  3. The Quick Launch bar--contains shortcuts to commonly used applications. ...
  4. The main Taskbar--displays icons for all open applications and files.
  5. The System Tray--contains the clock and icons for some of the programs running in the background.


Unpin a program on the taskbar

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/cant-unpin-or-remove-program-icons-from-windows-10-taskbar

QUICK LAUNCH open folder

[https://www.lifewire.com/add-quick-launch-toolbar-in-windows-10-5115231


Enter %APPDATA%\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch\ into the navigation field at the top of the window, and press Enter. Click Select Folder. You now have a quick launch toolbar on your taskbar. However, it's on the right side, and the original quick launch was on the left.Aug 4, 2021

How to Add the Quick Launch Toolbar in Windows 10 - Lifewire

show blue links instead of { HYPERLINK link } in a document Word

How to show blue links instead of { HYPERLINK link } in a document Word

https://www.officetooltips.com/word_2016/tips/how_to_show_blue_links_instead_of___hyperlink_link___in_a_document_word.html

To change a representation of hyperlinks in a document, do the following:

1. On the File tab, click the Options button:

Options in Word 2016

2. In the Word Options dialog box,

  • on the Advanced tab,
  • under Show document content,
  • uncheck the Show field codes instead of their values checkbox:

Advanced tab in Word Options 2016 After clicking OK, all hyperlinks in the document will be shown as usual, as blue hyperlinks:

Hyperlink in Word 2016


MICROSOFT WORD - get hyperlinks to show
File>Options>Advanced> [Show document content] section uncheck the box for "Show field codes instead of their values".

YOUTUBE Add more channels to YouTube

Can You Have More Than One YouTube Channel? (January 21, 2021)

Visit your list of Channels, https://www.youtube.com/account

Click Create a new channel button.

Create a new channel button on YouTube

Give your new account a name, and then click Create.

New Brand Channel Create button on YouTube You'll immediately be taken to your new channel where you can customize your account and upload videos.

Screenshot program for laptop

LIGHTSHOT The fastest way to take a customizable screenshot

HOW TO GET FILE NAMES FOR ALL FILES IN A FOLDER

If the folder you want to open in Command Prompt is on your desktop or already open in File Explorer, you can quickly change to that directory.

Type cd followed by a space, DRAG AND DROP the folder into the window, and then press Enter. The directory you switched to will be reflected in the command line.

https://www.howtogeek.com/659411/how-to-change-directories-in-command-prompt-on-windows-10/#:~:text=If%20the%20folder%20you%20want,reflected%20in%20the%20command%20line.

INSTRUCTIONS:

0. Open Command Prompt

02: Copy and paste directory C:\Users\user\Desktop\STUFF


1. Type cd followed by a space,

2. drag and drop the folder into the window, and then

3. press Enter.

The directory you switched to will be reflected in the command line.

How to copy a list of file names in a folder to text file?

EXCELLENT!

use cmd.exe

type dir /b > dirlist.txt

More instructions may 2024

Command to list all files in a folder as well as sub-folders in

Follow these baby steps:

1. Press Windows + R.

2. Press Enter.

3. cmd.

4. Press Enter.

5. ch (name of directory) Example: C:\Users\**\Desktop\**\** 1994\1993 ** central **

6. Type dir /b > dirlist.txt

7. Press Enter.

from search "get names of all files windows 10 in a folder":

[1] STACK OVERFLOW

"change directory in cmd"

Open the Command Prompt (CMD) and type "cd" with a space, followed by the name of the directory,

or drag and drop the directory into CMD from File Explorer.

Press "Enter." Type "cd.." and press "Enter" to go back one directory.

SSL certificate

Free SSL certificate: https://app.zerossl.com/

Recording voice "on the fly"

Recording voice "on the fly": https://www.vocaroo.com


To sort

https://bulkresizephotos.com/en Bulk Resize photos]

https://kzclip.com Youtube alternative]

https://alternatives.app/software/711/Kapwing free video editors list]

Unpin from task bar remove icon from taskbar.png

https://wordmvp.com/FAQs/General/UsingWildcards.htm Microsoft Advanced Find and replace]

https://wordribbon.tips.net/T006010_Breaking_a_Document_Link.html Breaking a Document Link]

https://quozio.com/ Quotes background maker]


https://sms-activate.ru/en/ SMS FOR CHEAP]

https://sourceforge.net/software/cloud-storage/free-trial Compare the Top Cloud Storage Services with a Free Trial of 2021]

Download books (for free)

https://www.maketecheasier.com/convert-audio-to-text/ Convert audio to text]

https://mp3cut.net/ Convert video to audio]

https://support.skype.com/en/faq/fa12025/what-are-keyboard-shortcuts-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype Skype shortcuts]

Hang up Ctrl+Shift+H
Ctrl+Tab Next Conversation
Ctrl+Shift+Tab Previous Conversation
Alt+2 Open contacts
Ctrl+Shift+P Start an audio call
Hang up Ctrl+Shift+H

' https://www.autohotkey.com/ '

Google translate extension for Firefox browser, you can translate Yandex.ru also (Which you cannot do with google translate app on chrome):

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/traduzir-paginas-web

https://fixyourandroid.com/apps/android-auto-dialer/ Auto dialers] * Archive.org * App - Call Recorder * Calendar * Chrome * Epson Printer and scanner * Translator * https://www.onlinedoctranslator.com/en/ TRANSLATE DOCUMENTS

Facebook * Google * Galaxy * Instagram * Mediawiki * including extensions

https://www.quickpicturetools.com/en/combine_images/ Combine merge stitch images] * https://thegeekpage.com/17-best-free-screenshot-tools-for-windows-10/ Free screenshot tools for windows 10] * Photoshop

Microsoft Office * Outlook * Microsoft Windows * Notepad

Namecheap * PDF * Programs/delete * Rename programs

Video * Video record screen * wifi * https://www.flickr.com/tools/ Flickr uploader] * https://www.linkedin.com/mynetwork/invitation-manager/sent/ How to Track Sent Invitations on LinkedIn] 

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/print-all-file-and-folder-contents-to-text-or-printer/ 10 Free Tools To Save or Print a List of File and Folder Contents]
Samsung Galaxy phones

https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/mobile-devices/how-do-i-move-music-images-videos-and-other-media-to-the-sd-card-in-my-galaxy-device/ How do I move music, images, videos and other media to the SD card in my Galaxy device?] * https://www.samsung.com/au/support/mobile-devices/back-up-samsung-device/ Backing up my Samsung device] * https://www.syncios.com/android/backup-samsung-galaxy-s9-to-sd-card.html#part1 How to Easily Backup Everything from Samsung Galaxy S9 to SD Card]

WhatsApp

WhatsApp * https://tryshift.com/blog/apps-hub/log-2-whatsapp-accounts/ How to Log In to Two WhatsApp Accounts at Once]

Telegram

https://www.alphr.com/how-to-find-groups-in-telegram/ How To Find Groups In Telegram

https://bugs.telegram.org/c/112 spambot


Wordpress * Blog blogging

ABBYY Finereader

  • YOUTUBE

Youtube (includes editing videos) - AUDIO FILES

Russian alternatives to youtube

https://www.filesmerge.com/merge-images Merge stick photos online] * https://pinetools.com/flip-image flip photo for Zoom]

https://www.timeanddate.com/timer/ timer] * https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lighting+for+animated+video+background+zoom zoom lighting for animated video background zoom search]

https://winscp.net/eng/docs/free_ftp_client_for_windows FTP client WinSCP]

Create video

https://itsfoss.com/open-source-video-editors/

Edit videos

http://moscowamerican.com/index.php?title=Template:Tech&action=edit e]

Multiple people on one account

Search for:

create more than one account whatsapp business

https://trengo.com/blog/communication/whatsapp-business-multiple-users/#:~:text=Unfortunately%2C%20it%20is%20not%20possible,multiple%20official%20WhatsApp%20Business%20partners.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to use the WhatsApp Business application for multiple users. This is only possible via the official WhatsApp API, which Trengo integrates via multiple official WhatsApp Business partners.

TELEGRAM

Export Telegram Contacts

First, open Telegram and go to the Settings menu. Then, select the "Export Telegram Contacts" option.

...

Click on Advanced and then on Export Telegram Data.

Select the box “Contacts List” only.

Scroll down and click on EXPORT link (in HTML format.

How to export telegram contacts - Quora

https://www.google.com/search?q=telegram+export+all+contacts&oq=telegram+export+all+contacts

https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-export-telegram-contacts (blocked)

Bulk add people to whatsapp

Phone is the correct column 2.

https://codegena.com/how-to-add-members-to-whatsapp-group-from-excel-file/

Images and Files stored in WhatsApp Web on PC

https://www.codeitbro.com/where-are-whatsapp-images-and-files-are-stored-in-pc/

Images and Files stored in WhatsApp Web:

If you are using Chrome, then by default, the downloaded images and files are stored in the Downloads folder of your Windows PC. For other browsers, you can find the downloaded media and documents in the default download folder/directory.

You can also choose to save the WhatsApp images and files anywhere in your PC by changing the default download directory of your browser.


Create a new line on desktop

On WhatsApp, Telegram desktop or web, you can use shift + enter for a newline.

How to Insert Newline If Enter Key Sends Msg - WhatsApp: https://www.syncwithtech.org/whatsapp-telegram-insert-newline-enter-key/

PC secrets

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/whatsapp-desktop-tips/


Configuring the Enter key (android):

https://faq.whatsapp.com/en/android/30005141

how-to-save-your-chat-history

https://faq.whatsapp.com/android/chats/how-to-save-your-chat-history/?lang=en Whatsapp Messages

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Washington Post
Why do we ignore the civilians killed in American wars?[1]

By John Tirman. January 6, 2012


The major wars the United States has fought since the surrender of Japan in 1945 — in Korea, Indochina, Iraq and Afghanistan — have produced colossal carnage. For most of them, we do not have an accurate sense of how many people died, but a conservative estimate is at least 6 million civilians and soldiers.

As the United States officially ended the war in Iraq last month, President Obama spoke eloquently at Fort Bragg, N.C., lauding troops for “your patriotism, your commitment to fulfill your mission, your abiding commitment to one another,” and offering words of grief for the nearly 4,500 members of the U.S. armed forces who died in Iraq. He did not, however, mention the sacrifices of the Iraqi people.

This inattention to civilian deaths in America’s wars isn’t unique to Iraq. There’s little evidence that the American public gives much thought to the people who live in the nations where our military interventions take place. Think about the memorials on the Mall honoring American sacrifices in Korea and Vietnam. These are powerful, sacred spots, but neither mentions the people of those countries who perished in the conflicts.

The major wars the United States has fought since the surrender of Japan in 1945 — in Korea, Indochina, Iraq and Afghanistan — have produced colossal carnage. For most of them, we do not have an accurate sense of how many people died, but a conservative estimate is at least 6 million civilians and soldiers.

Our lack of acknowledgment is less oversight than habit, a self-reflective reaction to the horrors of war and an American tradition that goes back decades. We consider ourselves a generous and compassionate nation, and often we are. From the Asian tsunami in 2004 to Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and the Haiti earthquake in 2010, Americans have been quick to open their pocketbooks and their hearts.

However, when it comes to our wars overseas, concern for the victims is limited to U.S. troops. When concern for the native populations is expressed, it tends to be more strategic than empathetic, as with Gen. David H. Petraeus’s acknowledgment in late 2006 that harsh U.S. tactics were alienating Iraqi civilians and undermining Operation Iraqi Freedom. The switch to counterinsurgency, which involves more restraint by the military, was billed as a change that would save the U.S. mission, not primarily as a strategy to reduce civilian deaths.

The wars in Korea and Indochina were extremely deadly. While estimates of Korean War deaths are mainly guesswork, the three-year conflict is widely believed to have taken 3 million lives, about half of them civilians. The sizable civilian toll was partly due to the fact that the country’s population is among the world’s densest and the war’s front lines were often moving. The war in Vietnam and the spillover conflicts in Laos and Cambodia were even more lethal. These numbers are also hard to pin down, although by several scholarly estimates, Vietnamese military and civilian deaths ranged from 1.5 million to 3.8 million, with the U.S.-led campaign in Cambodia resulting in 600,000 to 800,000 deaths, and Laotian war mortality estimated at about 1 million.

Despite the fact that contemporary weapons are vastly more precise, Iraq war casualties, which are also hard to quantify, have reached several hundred thousand. In mid-2006, two household surveys — the most scientific means of calculating — found 400,000 to 650,000 deaths, and there has been a lot of killing since then. (The oft-cited Iraq Body Count Web site mainly uses news accounts, which miss much of the violence.) The war in Afghanistan has been far less violent than the others, with civilian and military deaths estimated at about 100,000.

The numbers can be confusing because some estimates include only those people killed by direct violence; others include deaths from “structural” violence — such as those resulting from a destroyed health-care system. That we do not have an official way of accounting for the dead is one sign of the uncaring attitudes that have accompanied our wars. It is difficult to obtain accurate mortality figures during wartime, but the best way might be to commission a consortium of public health schools — the most qualified institutions that study violence — to conduct household surveys every year. The lack of concern about those who die in U.S. wars is also shown by these civilians’ absence, in large part, from our films, novels and documentaries. The entertainment industry portrays these wars rarely and almost always with a focus on Americans.

A few nonprofit organizations have sprung up to deal with the wars’ victims — notably the Campaign for Innocent Victims in Conflict, a Washington-based group founded by Marla Ruzicka, an aid worker who was killed in Iraq in 2005. Such efforts rarely register with the American public, however.

Pollsters, meanwhile, have asked virtually no questions of the public about foreign casualties. But on the rare occasions when they do, the results have been striking. A 1968 Harris poll found 4 percent favored an end to the Vietnam war because of harm to civilians. A University of Michigan pollster concluded: “More and more Americans now think our intervention was a military mistake, and want to forget the whole thing.”

On Iraq, when an Associated Press survey asked Americans in early 2007 how many Iraqis had died in the war, the average of all answers was 9,890, when the actual number was probably well into the hundreds of thousands. In several polls in 2007 and 2008, Americans were asked whether we should withdraw troops even if it put Iraqis at risk of more civil unrest; a clear majority said yes.

Today there is virtually no support for helping rebuild Iraq or Afghanistan — no campaigns by large charities, no open doors for Iraqi refugees. Even Iraqis who worked with the American military are having trouble getting political asylum in the United States and face a risk of retribution at home. The U.S. response to so many dead, 5 million displaced and a devastated country is woefully dismissive.

Even civilian atrocities tend to fade quickly from view, or else become rallying points for the accused troops. My Lai, where about 400 Vietnamese were murdered by a U.S. Army unit in 1968, at first shocked the nation, but Americans quickly came to support Lt. William L. Calley Jr. — who was later found guilty of killing 22 villagers — and the others involved. More recently, eight Marines were charged in the 2005 Haditha massacre in Iraq, and none has been convicted. (The last defendant’s trial started this past week.) Indeed, each atrocity that fails to alter public opinion piles on to further prove American indifference.

Why the American silence on our wars’ main victims? Our self-image, based on what cultural historian Richard Slotkin calls “the frontier myth” — in which righteous violence is used to subdue or annihilate the savages of whatever land we’re trying to conquer — plays a large role. For hundreds of years, the frontier myth has been one of America’s sturdiest national narratives.

When the challenges from communism in Korea and Vietnam appeared, we called on these cultural tropes to understand the U.S. mission overseas. The same was true for Iraq and Afghanistan, with the news media and politicians frequently portraying Islamic terrorists as frontier savages. By framing each of these wars as a battle to civilize a lawless culture, we essentially typecast the local populations as the Indians of our North American conquest. As the foreign policy maven Robert D. Kaplan wrote on the Wall Street Journal op-ed page in 2004, “The red Indian metaphor is one with which a liberal policy nomenklatura may be uncomfortable, but Army and Marine field officers have embraced it because it captures perfectly the combat challenge of the early 21st century.”

Politicians tend to speak in broader terms, such as defending Western values, or simply refer to resistance fighters as terrorists, the 21st-century word for savages. Remember the military’s code name for the raid of Osama bin Laden’s compound? It was Geronimo.

The frontier myth is also steeped in racism, which is deeply embedded in American culture’s derogatory depictions of the enemy. Such belittling makes it all the easier to put these foreigners at risk of violence. President George W. Bush, to his credit, disavowed these wars as being against Islam, as has President Obama. Perhaps the most compelling explanation for indifference, though, taps into our beliefs about right and wrong. More than 30 years ago, social psychologists developed the “just world” theory, which argues that humans naturally assume that the world should be orderly and rational. When that “just world” is disrupted, we tend to explain away the event as an aberration. For example, when encountering a beggar on the street, a common reaction is indifference or even anger, in the belief that no one should go hungry in America.

This explains much of our response to the violence in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. When the wars went badly and violence escalated, Americans tended to ignore or even blame the victims. The public dismissed the civilians because their high mortality rates, displacement and demolished cities were discordant with our understandings of the missions and the U.S. role in the world.

These attitudes have consequences. Perhaps the most important one — apart from the tensions created with the host governments, which have been quite vocal in protesting civilian casualties — is that indifference provides permission to our military and political leaders to pursue more interventions.

There are costs to our global reputation as well: The United States, which should be regarded as a principal advocate of human rights, undermines its credibility when it is so dismissive of civilian casualties in its wars. Appealing for international action on Sudan, Syria and other countries may sound hypocritical when our own attitudes about civilians are so cold. Korean War historian Bruce Cumings calls this neglect the “hegemony of forgetting, in which almost everything to do with the war is buried history.”

Will we ever stop burying memories of war’s destruction? More attention to the human costs may jolt the American public into a more compassionate understanding. When we build the memorial for Operation Iraqi Freedom, let’s mention that Iraqi civilians were part of the carnage. Count them, and maybe we can start to recognize and remember the larger tolls of the wars we wage.

The Deaths of Others: The Fate of Civilians in America's Wars

tirman@mit.edu

John Tirman, executive director and principal research scientist at the MIT Center for International Studies, is the author of “The Deaths of Others: The Fate of Civilians in America’s Wars.”

Notes

  1. Jump up ↑ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-do-we-ignore-the-civilians-killed-in-american-wars/2011/12/05/gIQALCO4eP_story.html

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How to expand the notification bar

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/customize-the-taskbar-notification-area-e159e8d2-9ac5-b2bd-61c5-bb63c1d437c3


Customize the taskbar notification area


How to create a quick launch toolbar on your Windows 10 taskbar

create-show-desktop-shortcut-windows

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21027-create-show-desktop-shortcut-windows.html

Change Default Printing to Single-Sided

Change Windows’ Default Download Path

Search in File Explorer in Windows 10

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    • How to Search in File Explorer in Windows 10


Language change

clipboard

How to Save Multiple items to the Clipboard of Windows 10

show-file-extensions-windows-10

https://pureinfotech.com/show-file-extensions-windows-10/

How to use the Search tool in Windows 10 File Explorer

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https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-use-the-search-tool-in-windows-10-file-explorer/


https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/missing-search-tab-file-explorer-windows-10-1909/2eeb39a7-34ee-49e1-89df-0b76b3f60839


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MOVE! Windows Defender

To do this, open the ‘Review’ tab then under ‘Tracking’ select ‘No Markup’

Problem solved. The windows defender was set on full protection mod. I just turn it off. Everything running smoothly. Case closed
Use: How to disable Windows Defender using the Registry option

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https://www.lifewire.com/free-fax-services-2378048

Copy cyrillic webpage names

https://www.webatic.com/url-convertor

Calendar

https://www.calendarpedia.com/calendars/october-2022-calendar.html

VPN

FREE VPN for Windows PC Download in 2021 - BETTERNET.co - entire internet

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Make your mouse more visible by changing the color and size of the mouse pointer.

Start button

Settings >

Ease of Access >

Cursor & pointer , and

choose the options that work best for you.

Desktop programs downloaded and installed

Programs downloaded



Bulk rename utility Bulk file rename utility

Firefox Need to get rid of "ImportEnterpriseRoots" Certificate

https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/utbtdl/need_to_get_rid_of_importenterpriseroots

The two ways to lock a preference are:

(1) Enterprise Policy -- check about:policies

This can be done by dropping a file: https://support.mozilla.org/kb/customizing-firefox-using-policiesjson

(2) Autoconfig

This is done by dropping two files: https://support.mozilla.org/kb/customizing-firefox-using-autoconfig

What is "ImportEnterpriseRoots" Certificate

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1306557

This is a pretty common question that gets asked here.

The ImportEnterpriseRoots policy is setup by a lot of security programs (antivirus, firewall, etc). Security programs often use this policy so that they can view incoming secure connections to check that the content is safe, without triggering error messages in Firefox.

That policy has no impact on what settings you will be able to use in Firefox. It will cause the "Your computer is being managed by your organization" warning message to appear on top of the settings page, but that's it.

Removing that policy from your computer often causes your security program to stop working and/or will cause issues in Firefox when loading some websites.

Hope this clears things up for you.


Telegram

Telegram discussion group with "chat history for new members"

Called Discussion button

scrape users in telegram

Export telegram contacts on pc windows

How to Export Telegram Contacts and Group Members (PC) Download and install Telegram for Windows/Mac on PC. 

Launch Telegram on your PC and login to your account using Phone Number or QR code.

After successful login, it will take you to the Dashboard where you find the list of the conversations, here

  1. tap on the three lines icon at the top on PC.
  2. It will open a new menu with the list of options, select Settings.
  3. Next, click on Advanced as shown in the below image.
  4. Scroll down to the last and tap on the Export Telegram Data.
  5. After that, select the data you want to export from Telegram. Just select the Account Information and Contact list option.
  6. Scroll down and select the location where you want to download the data and select Human-readable HTML format. Tap on the Export.

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https://www.thewindowsclub.com/free-anonymous-file-sharing-services-which-allow-you-to-share-files-without-creating-an-account

https://www.veed.io/send-video

VLC MEDIA PLAYER

VLC


ActivePresenter

Record screen with video.

Excellent! Downloaded from RuTracker.org August 28 2022 only 44 MB.

https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6002607

How to Export ActivePresenter Projects to Videos

https://atomisystems.com/tutorials/export-activepresenter-projects-videos/

8 Best Screen Recorders for Windows 10 in 2022- Free & Paid

https://atomisystems.com/screencasting/record-screen-windows-10/

Bulk converting audio files into one

DOESNT WORK

VSDC Pro Video Editor 7.1

RuTracker.ORG

19 Best Free Software to Batch Convert WMA To MP3 for Windows https://listoffreeware.com/free-software-batch-convert-wma-to-mp3-windows/

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https://www.google.com/search?q=unlock+%22wma%22+protected+files


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From: https://multimedia.easeus.com/video-editing-tips/audio-joiner.html#part3

3. Copy Command on Windows

Platform: Windows

Windows allows you to merge audio from the command prompt. Here is the command you can use is as follows:

copy /b *.mp3 c:\merged.mp3

The command above means it will find all MP3 files in the directory and join them into the merged.mp3 file.

If you want to add only a few files add them accordingly using a "+" sign in between.

Pros

No need to install a software

The simplest way to merge audio files without losing quality

Cons

Not possible to edit the files

No way to change the format of the output file

Cumbersome to use.

VLC

Source: https://www.videoproc.com/audio-editor/best-audio-mergers.htm


3. How to Merge MP3 Files on Windows 10 with VLC

VLC is an open-source free program that you can free access to. Based on its introduction of how to merge videos, we have tested its capability of combining audio files, and it turns out to be feasible as well. Before we kick off, you need to make sure that all of your audio files have the file extension of .mp3. Otherwise, this method may not work for you. (Notice: if you have different formatted audio files such as .flac and .mp3, see the workaround.)

Step 1. Download and install VLC on your computer.

You are recommended to install VLC locally by its default route.

Step 2. Use the keyboard shortcuts

Win+X > click Command Prompt in the pop-up list.

Or, use the hotkey combination

Win+R to open Run >

type cmd in the box >

hit Enter

Then the Command Prompt will be opened as well.

Run Command Prompt

[Win+R] > cmd to run Command Prompt

Step 3. In the Command Prompt, enter the command: cd c:\mp3, then hit the Enter key.

Sidenote: The c:\mp3 command is the file folder directory where your mp3 audio files are kept. If your audio files are kept on C disk, c:\ file location

Step 4: There will be c:\mp3> command already existing, copy and paste commands as follows:

"C:\PROGRAMFILES\VideoLAN\VLC\vlc.exe" -vv 1.mp3 2.mp3 --sout-keep --sout=#gather:transcode{acodec=mp3,ab=128}:standard{access=file,mux=dummy,dst=combinedout.mp3}

Sidenotes:
1. C:\PROGRAMFILES\VideoLAN\VLC\vlc.exe command refers to the directory path where the VLC launching program is located in your Windows computer, which is also the default path of VLC setup. Change it if you've set a different destination path for your VLC installation.
2. The 1.mp3 2.mp3 command refers to the filename of your audio tracks. Customize the part based on your personal demands.
3. The combinedout.mp3 command refers to the file name of the combined file. You can change it to the one you like.

Reset password Change or reset your Windows password

Select Start >

Settings >

Accounts >

Sign-in options .

Under Password, select the Change button and follow the steps.

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Download YouTube videos that you've uploaded BASTARDS

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how to burn a disk

How to Burn a CD or DVD on Windows 10 https://www.howtogeek.com/689705/how-to-burn-a-cd-or-dvd-on-windows-10/

GRAMFILE

https://gramfile.com/active-iso-burner-download/

Ashampoo Burning Studio Free 1.23.8.0

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HP INK TANK WIRELESS

How do I switch between ink tank and cartridge on HP Ink 410 series ?

I want to disable the use of the ink cartridges completely.

Is there any articles or videos on how the HP ink cartridge works when there is tank?  I wanted to buy a printer WITHOUT a ink cartridge.  I did not realize there are  two expensive to replace  ink cartridges inside.

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Download whatsapp messages in bulk batch

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How to Take Batch Screenshots or Screencaps in VLC Media Player FEB 1, 2021

https://turbofuture.com/computers/How-to-take-batch-screenshots-or-screencaps-in-VLC-Media-Player

Download all whatsapp contacts in a whatsapp group video

How to Export WhatsApp Group Contacts to Excel？ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll26Ha2Xfs0&t=67s

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Subtitle Editor

https://nikse.dk/subtitleedit

Subtitle Edit

Overview

Subtitle Edit is a free (open source) editor for video subtitles - a subtitle editor :)

With SE you can easily adjust a subtitle if it is out of sync with the video in several different ways. You can also use SE for making new subtitles from scratch (do use the time-line/waveform/spectrogram) or translating subtitles.

For a list of features see below or check out the Subtitle Edit Help page. On my blog you can download latest beta version and read about/discuss new features.

Also, you can watch a few videos about installing and using Subtitle Edit.

Transfer import facebook to vk

Coding

https://github.com/mekhovov/Export-Posts-from-FB-2-LI-VK/blob/master/export_FB_2_LI_VK.rb


Convert audio m4a to video

https://www.freeconvert.com/m4a-to-mp4/download DOESNT WORK ON YOUTUBE

RUSSIAN SITE https://online-audio-convert.com/ru/m4a-to-mp4/ DOESNT WORK ON YOUTUBE

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  • kdenlive crop a video
    • Click the zone start icon
    • Click he zone end icon
    • Right click the new zone and extract video

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merge 2 videos online

Adobe

https://express.adobe.com/tools/merge-videos/#

Quotes background maker

Quotes background maker

Delete portions of a page for printing

  • Print Edit WE
    • To start editing the page:
      • click on the Print Edit WE button on the main toolbar, or
      • select Print Edit WE > Start Editing on the context menu.
    • A blue 'EDIT' (editing) badge will appear on the button.


wifi

WiFi Keeps Disconnecting on Windows 10? Here’s the Fix

Install a Bandwidth Monitor On Your Computer


What's system interrupts high CPU usage in Windows 10

Change Rename Batch Files and Folders in Windows

4 Ways to Batch Rename Files in Windows (USE POWERSHELL)

https://www.maketecheasier.com/batch-rename-files-in-windows/

Doesnt work:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22182409/replace-part-of-file-name-powershell

Rename files by matching partial name (power toys - doesnt work)

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-rename-multiple-files-bulk-windows-10


General:

6 Ways to Rename Files and Folders in Windows 10

https://www.howtogeek.com/665514/6-ways-to-rename-files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

How to set a default Folder View for all folders in Windows 11/10

How to set a default Folder View for all folders in Windows 11/10

  • Open File Explorer by using key combination Windows Key + E and navigate to the folder you want to use as a source for view layout settings.
  • Windows 10, navigate to the View tab in ribbon baron the top and change the settings per your wish. You can change the layout and choose the folder details to display, add extra panes, adjust column width, etc.
  • Once done with the changes, click Options to open the File Explorer Options, earlier called Folder Options. window.
  • Finally, navigate to View tab in Folder Options window.
  • Click/Tap on Apply to Folders button.\

Sections in a taskbar

  1. The Windows TaskBar
  2. The Start Button--Opens the menu.
  3. The Quick Launch bar--contains shortcuts to commonly used applications. ...
  4. The main Taskbar--displays icons for all open applications and files.
  5. The System Tray--contains the clock and icons for some of the programs running in the background.


Unpin a program on the taskbar

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/cant-unpin-or-remove-program-icons-from-windows-10-taskbar

QUICK LAUNCH open folder

[https://www.lifewire.com/add-quick-launch-toolbar-in-windows-10-5115231


Enter %APPDATA%\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch\ into the navigation field at the top of the window, and press Enter. Click Select Folder. You now have a quick launch toolbar on your taskbar. However, it's on the right side, and the original quick launch was on the left.Aug 4, 2021

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show blue links instead of { HYPERLINK link } in a document Word

How to show blue links instead of { HYPERLINK link } in a document Word

https://www.officetooltips.com/word_2016/tips/how_to_show_blue_links_instead_of___hyperlink_link___in_a_document_word.html

To change a representation of hyperlinks in a document, do the following:

1. On the File tab, click the Options button:

Options in Word 2016

2. In the Word Options dialog box,

  • on the Advanced tab,
  • under Show document content,
  • uncheck the Show field codes instead of their values checkbox:

Advanced tab in Word Options 2016 After clicking OK, all hyperlinks in the document will be shown as usual, as blue hyperlinks:

Hyperlink in Word 2016


MICROSOFT WORD - get hyperlinks to show
File>Options>Advanced> [Show document content] section uncheck the box for "Show field codes instead of their values".

YOUTUBE Add more channels to YouTube

Can You Have More Than One YouTube Channel? (January 21, 2021)

Visit your list of Channels, https://www.youtube.com/account

Click Create a new channel button.

Create a new channel button on YouTube

Give your new account a name, and then click Create.

New Brand Channel Create button on YouTube You'll immediately be taken to your new channel where you can customize your account and upload videos.

Screenshot program for laptop

LIGHTSHOT The fastest way to take a customizable screenshot

HOW TO GET FILE NAMES FOR ALL FILES IN A FOLDER

If the folder you want to open in Command Prompt is on your desktop or already open in File Explorer, you can quickly change to that directory.

Type cd followed by a space, DRAG AND DROP the folder into the window, and then press Enter. The directory you switched to will be reflected in the command line.

https://www.howtogeek.com/659411/how-to-change-directories-in-command-prompt-on-windows-10/#:~:text=If%20the%20folder%20you%20want,reflected%20in%20the%20command%20line.

INSTRUCTIONS:

0. Open Command Prompt

02: Copy and paste directory C:\Users\user\Desktop\STUFF


1. Type cd followed by a space,

2. drag and drop the folder into the window, and then

3. press Enter.

The directory you switched to will be reflected in the command line.

How to copy a list of file names in a folder to text file?

EXCELLENT!

use cmd.exe

type dir /b > dirlist.txt

More instructions may 2024

Command to list all files in a folder as well as sub-folders in

Follow these baby steps:

1. Press Windows + R.

2. Press Enter.

3. cmd.

4. Press Enter.

5. ch (name of directory) Example: C:\Users\**\Desktop\**\** 1994\1993 ** central **

6. Type dir /b > dirlist.txt

7. Press Enter.

from search "get names of all files windows 10 in a folder":

[3] STACK OVERFLOW

"change directory in cmd"

Open the Command Prompt (CMD) and type "cd" with a space, followed by the name of the directory,

or drag and drop the directory into CMD from File Explorer.

Press "Enter." Type "cd.." and press "Enter" to go back one directory.

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Free SSL certificate: https://app.zerossl.com/

Recording voice "on the fly"

Recording voice "on the fly": https://www.vocaroo.com


To sort

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https://mp3cut.net/ Convert video to audio]

https://support.skype.com/en/faq/fa12025/what-are-keyboard-shortcuts-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype Skype shortcuts]

Hang up Ctrl+Shift+H
Ctrl+Tab Next Conversation
Ctrl+Shift+Tab Previous Conversation
Alt+2 Open contacts
Ctrl+Shift+P Start an audio call
Hang up Ctrl+Shift+H

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Google translate extension for Firefox browser, you can translate Yandex.ru also (Which you cannot do with google translate app on chrome):

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/traduzir-paginas-web

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Facebook * Google * Galaxy * Instagram * Mediawiki * including extensions

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Microsoft Office * Outlook * Microsoft Windows * Notepad

Namecheap * PDF * Programs/delete * Rename programs

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Samsung Galaxy phones

https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/mobile-devices/how-do-i-move-music-images-videos-and-other-media-to-the-sd-card-in-my-galaxy-device/ How do I move music, images, videos and other media to the SD card in my Galaxy device?] * https://www.samsung.com/au/support/mobile-devices/back-up-samsung-device/ Backing up my Samsung device] * https://www.syncios.com/android/backup-samsung-galaxy-s9-to-sd-card.html#part1 How to Easily Backup Everything from Samsung Galaxy S9 to SD Card]

WhatsApp

WhatsApp * https://tryshift.com/blog/apps-hub/log-2-whatsapp-accounts/ How to Log In to Two WhatsApp Accounts at Once]

Telegram

https://www.alphr.com/how-to-find-groups-in-telegram/ How To Find Groups In Telegram

https://bugs.telegram.org/c/112 spambot


Wordpress * Blog blogging

ABBYY Finereader

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Youtube (includes editing videos) - AUDIO FILES

Russian alternatives to youtube

https://www.filesmerge.com/merge-images Merge stick photos online] * https://pinetools.com/flip-image flip photo for Zoom]

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Create video

https://itsfoss.com/open-source-video-editors/

Edit videos

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Welcome to WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron (ARS). Sometimes Wikipedia articles about notable topics exist in poor form, badly written, unsourced Template:Ndash but that is not sufficient in itself to remove them from the encyclopedia at Articles for Deletion. If an article is about an encyclopedic topic that has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, the article may simply need improvement.

A significant aspect of this project's focus is on articles that may be written in poor form, lack references or need improvement, yet are backed by reliable sources and are therefore likely worthy of a Wikipedia stand-alone article per Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Some writer may have worked hard on that article. Some reader can use that article. In reaching out to work with such writers and readers, the project can help to preserve worthwhile content in the encyclopedia.

The project works toward improving Wikipedia as a whole by cooperating together to improve deficient articles through editing to provide necessary sources, correcting inappropriate style or tone, cleaning up grammatical and layout problems, etcetera, with the overall goal of improving the encyclopedia.


Template:Article Rescue Squadron Code of Conduct

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Scope Scope

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Template:Shortcut Wikiproject Article rescue squadron's main focus is on Wikipedia articles that are perceived as actually being notable that are going through Articles for deletion (AfD), which may:

We also help rescue content in Wikipedia's main namespace (refer to Wikipedia: Namespace for more information) and other Daily deletion debates (XfD) processes, such as Miscellany for deletion (MfD) and Templates for discussion (TfD). See Articles & content for an overview.

ARS members may also be interested in rescuing articles listed at Wikipedia: Listing of possible copyright problems. These articles often cover notable topics. Evaluating the extent of such problems can be difficult, but thoroughly rewriting articles with problems identified as foundational has the additional benefit of helping WikiProject Copyright Cleanup.

Rescue list

A list of content for rescue consideration is located at this project's content rescue list.

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See: Tips to help rescue articles and ARS Guide to saving articles

The Article Rescue Squadron WikiProject is about editing and improving articles. ARS is no different from any of the hundreds of Wikiprojects in that we collaborate to improve Wikipedia. If everyone who cares about preserving important topics and removing unsuitable content reads one deletion discussion per day (or even one per week), the impact will benefit all of our readers. Moreover, reading through an article nominated for deletion and adding sources and rewriting the text to remove or reword unsuitable content can help other editors decide if the article should be kept or deleted.

Does ARS want to keep everything?

No. The project is not about making policy to ensure that nothing is deleted or casting keep votes in AfD discussions. The project ensures that articles that can be written to follow Wikipedia policies do not get deleted when they can be rescued through normal editing, which per WP:AFD means that it was not a good candidate for deletion. The Template:Tl and Template:Tl templates are sometimes all that's required for a rescue.

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Wikipedia articles are based upon topic notability. Sometimes articles that are nominated for deletion simply need for the topic to be proven as notable and encyclopedic through the provision of reliable sources.

Every time an article is deleted the contributions that were made to it are lost, and then only Wikipedia administrators can access it, but they are not necessarily experts on the article's topic. After deletion, an article's content, value, and appropriateness can no longer be evaluated by the general public. In addition, the contributor who writes a poor article on a notable topic is likely to be inexperienced. If their first efforts are deleted, they may be discouraged and refrain from creating further articles, or even editing. Everyone starts somewhere, and we should encourage better writing and better articles. Good faith efforts to contribute should be met with encouragement to improve.

This makes Articles for Deletion (AfD) a very important place; one that deserves everyone's attention.

A common axiom is that "AFD is not cleanup". Wikipedia is a work in progress, and articles should not be deleted because no one has felt like cleaning them up yet. Remember, Wikipedia has no deadline. If there's good, sourceable content in the article, it should be preserved, developed and improved, not deleted. The Wikipedia policy of trying to correct problems in articles through editing improvements, expansion and adding reliable sources, located at Try to fix problems, is often more appropriate than the entire deletion of articles.

The question on whether a poor but improvable article ought to be deleted is a major point of contention, and has given rise to the wiki-philosophies immediatism and eventualism. The Article Rescue Squadron was highlighted in a July 2007 Wikipedia Signpost, and has grown with many processes to tag, track, and list tagged articles.

Articles proposed for deletion (prod)

Sometimes articles are proposed for deletion (prod, prodded) without being sent to AfD, some of which are notable per Wikipedia's General notability guideline.

Rescuing drafts

Many new articles come to Wikipedia via the Articles for creation (AfC) process. Reviewers assess these contributions and either accept, decline or reject them. Declined drafts on notable subjects may be improved by the authors and resubmitted. In many cases, however, this does not happen and the drafts are essentially abandoned. Abandoned drafts are subject to deletion under WP:G13 after 6 months of inactivity. Since all this occurs in Draft: space and typically involves new editors, these deletions are largely invisible to the editing community.

You can help by reviewing drafts that will soon become eligible for deletion and improving them and submitting them for rereview at AfC.

Tips to help rescue articles

See also: ARS Guide to saving articles

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Source searches

In addition to below, placing Template:Tl at the top of a Talk page now includes the "Find Sources".

Pen & Earth

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Article Rescue checklist

Here's a quick checklist of 10 steps anyone can take for articles that need rescue:

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  1. Find and add reliable sourcesTemplate:Spaced ndashIt is most important that sources demonstrating the notability of a subject are added to articles when they are found. Do it properly, using the correct citation templates.
  2. Add WikiProjectsTemplate:Spaced ndashView article talk pages to see if appropriate WikiProject banners have been added (this list of banners maybe be easier to browse). WikiProject banners help draw attention to articles from editors who are interested in the subject, especially if the project subscribes to Article Alerts. You don't need anyone's permission to add relevant WikiProject banners to article talk pages.
  3. Solicit WikiProject inputTemplate:Spaced ndashMany articles needing rescue merely need attention from an expert on the subject. A short note on a WikiProject talk page seeking expert attention can bring remarkable results fast.
  4. Take the time to strengthen the Lead sectionTemplate:Spaced ndashThe lead sets the tone for the rest of an article. Take the time to rewrite or improve the lead so that an article's title and its contents are in sync. Nothing detracts more from an otherwise notable subject than a lead that inadequately conveys what an article is about.
  5. Clean-up articlesTemplate:Spaced ndashIf an article about an otherwise notable subject has a bunch of unorganized content on the page, it is best to clean it up on the spot and bring it up to par with the Manual of Style guidelines. Some examples of clean-up include copy editing, wikifying (adding internal links, interwiki links and external links), correcting spelling, grammar and typographical errors, converting poorly formatted references with proper citation templates and adding relevant sections.
  6. Add Infoboxes, Navigation Templates and sidebarsTemplate:Spaced ndashIf they are not present in articles and their addition is appropriate, do so and complete their fields as much as possible.
  7. De-orphan articlesTemplate:Spaced ndashLink and cross-reference articles with other articles, lists and categories. Make sure articles have internal links that link to other appropriate, highly related articles, which helps to clarify and expound upon information. If it is difficult to incorporate links within the text of an article, the See also section is an appropriate place to list links for related articles. Look for sources and content in related articles that might enhance orphaned articles. Utilizing the "What links here" feature in the Toolbox pull-down menu in the left column of Wikipedia pages provides a list of pages that link to an article.
  8. Eliminate the junkTemplate:Spaced ndashIf there is unsourced or irrelevant content, copyright violations, or other "junk" in articles, eliminate it ruthlessly. If there is a question about the validity of content, start a discussion on the talk page and tag questionable content with template messages as necessary. Don't just ignore the "junk" if its there. Conversely, it's very important to preserve appropriate content Template:Ndash as long as any of the facts or ideas added to an article would belong in a "finished" article. For more information, please refer to Try to fix problems.
  9. Treat articles as if they were your best achievementsTemplate:Spaced ndashMake changes to articles that will turn them into articles that you would be proud of personally. We know how to do it, we just need to do it.
  10. Positively engage new editorsTemplate:Spaced ndashWhen you find that an article has been created by a new editor (maybe their first one) or by inexperienced editors, engage them in a positive, mentoring way. Help them learn how to create and contribute better content. Engage them on their talk pages, encourage them, and most importantly make them feel welcome. If there are policy or guideline issues on the table, don't just refer them to a policy link; engage them in a discussion to ensure they better understand how to make quality contributions. Make sure the editor knows that merging and userfication are alternatives to deletion. Even if an article is ultimately lost, this positive engagement will help us all by encouraging new contributors to make useful, productive edits.

Books Articles and content

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Articles

Articles currently tagged for deletion


Articles currently proposed for deletion

Biographies of living persons

Many articles have been deleted as Biographies that had been flagged for years as unsourced. The administrators who deleted them have stated that the restoration of these articles is acceptable, provided that any restored articles are then properly sourced and made fully compliant with WP:BLP (Biographies of living persons). For some background information, see here. BLP articles that are properly sourced will simply be restored, along with their talk pages.

To volunteer to reference one or more of the articles that have recently been deleted as unreferenced BLPs, see ARS BLP volunteers.

Article restoration

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Further information: Viewing and restoring deleted pages
Article userfication
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Articles with topics of unclear notability


Content

Files for discussion

  • Files for discussionTemplate:Spaced ndashFiles for discussion (FfD) is for the discussion of images and other media files (such as audio and video files) that are being considered for deletion. Files that have been listed at FfD for more than 7 days are eligible for deletion if either a consensus to do so has been reached or no objections to deletion have been raised.

Categories for discussion

  • Categories for discussionTemplate:Spaced ndashCategories for discussion (Cfd) is where deletion, merging, and renaming of categories is discussed. Categories that have been listed for more than seven days are eligible for deletion, renaming or merging when a rough consensus to do so has been reached or no objections to the nomination have been raised.

Templates for discussion

Redirects for discussion

Miscellany for deletion

Search all deletion discussions

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Article alerts

Selected previous rescues

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2 people Participants

To join, simply add your name to our membership list; feel free to add your ideas to the project discussion page as well.


User boxes

Rescued articles

ARS user page boxes:

Template:User Article Rescue SquadronTemplate:Spaced ndashThere's an automatically-generated list of members using this banner here.

Template:User WikiProject Article Rescue SquadronTemplate:Spaced ndashThere's an automatically-generated list of members using this banner here.

Once you've rescued an article or two, show your Rescue Squadron pride with

  • {{User:Jclemens/Rescues|n}}

(where n is the number of articles you've helped rescue) User:Jclemens/RescuesTemplate:Spaced ndashThere's an automatically-generated list of members using this banner here.

  • {{WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron/Userbox|n}}

Template:WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron/UserboxThere's an automatically-generated list of members using this banner here.

Rescued article — then to FA or GA

Have you helped take an article from Articles for deletion to Featured Article or Good Article quality ?

show your Rescue Squadron pride with

  • {{User AFD to FA|n}}

(where n is the number of articles you've helped rescue and take to Featured Article quality) Template:User AFD to FATemplate:Spaced ndashThere's an automatically-generated list of members using this banner here.

  • {{User AFD to GA|n}}

(where n is the number of articles you've helped rescue and take to Good Article quality) Template:User AFD to GATemplate:Spaced ndashThere's an automatically-generated list of members using this banner here.

WikiProject Invitation

To invite someone:

To invite someone to join the Article Rescue Squadron, you can use our handy invite by pasting {{subst:Article Rescue Squadron invite}} to their userpage.

Barnstars

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There are five specific Rescue Barnstars for anyone who has made significant contributions to rescuing articles; it is up to those awarding them to choose which one to use:


Hall of fame:
  • [[Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron/Hall of Fame#Award|Wikipedia: Article Rescue SquadronTemplate:Spaced ndashHall of Fame/Award]]

Templates

See [[Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron/Templates|Wikipedia: Article Rescue SquadronTemplate:Spaced ndashTemplates]] for ARS templates.

Frequently asked questions

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Reasons to retain content

  • It can be discouraging for an editor to have their article deleted, especially for new and first-time contributors. An alternative is Userfication, in which articles for deletion can be placed into a user's namespace, providing an option to improve an article to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines.
  • Instead of deleting articles altogether, sometimes they can be merged with other articles (see Mergism).
  • It can be frustrating for a reader to come to Wikipedia for information and inside find that the relevant article existed at one point but has been deleted. This may discourage both Wikipedia readership and authorship.
  • Deleting a well-written, well-sourced article on the basis of what Wikipedia is not can reduce the total information of Wikipedia.

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Essays, etc.

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Essays

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Meta-Wiki is the global community site for the Wikimedia Foundation's projects and related projects.

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interested

I would like to register my interest for signing up to the ARS (Article Rescue Squadron). I have been a long time user of Wikipedia and various other Wikimedia Projects, but have just signed up for an account. To kick off my Wiki life, I would like to join the ARS to slowly ascend the Wikipedian hierarchial ladder.

I would just like to say that I personally stand for a complete Wikipedia, and am therefore vehemently opposed to misguided deletion of worthy articles.

I encourage any other dedicated Wikipedians to join the resistance against a plague that, left untreated, may prove itself to be Wikipedia's "Achilles' heel".

~Queer As Folk~


add Articles for Review to the mix?

I posted about this just now to wiki-en: I'd like to see a less bad-faith and more friendly review process as the first point of triage when someone sees something they don't like. Not like cleanup; with a clear timeout for a process and discussion; but focusing the conversation on "what do we do with this and how?" rather than "should we delete this and why?". One of the outcomes of AFR would be sending the article to AFD, which would figure out how much consideration to give the author, what to do with the resulting orphaned talk page and history and inbound links, whether to salt the earth or allow recreation, &c. Thoughts? +sj + 17:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this could be a good idea, but I worry about practical implementation. There is a lot of schlock on WP:AFD that really does need to be deleted, and this would have the effect of backing that up to hell. On the other hand, a culture change that switched the focus away from "fix or delete!" to "what do we do with this?" would be fantastic, and this would be a way of implementing that. Rebecca 23:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Rebecca, I agree that most of what's on AfD should still be deleted. But I think just us checking in on AfD can make a big difference. Since you need an overwhelming consensus to delete, one Keep vote needs two or more Delete votes to negate. So even a few of use Keep'ing will help. Today's appalling examples include Conservapedia, Russophobia, Daniel DiLorenzo (winner of an MIT prize and founder of a company). Just us chiming in with our view on keep/delete will help. -- Fuzheado | Talk 02:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, that's absolutely true. That's why I'm here (and like others, this was partly provoked by your blog post). I'm just not sure that Sj's solution would necessarily help things. Rebecca 02:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
yes, my friends, another step or another procedure would make things worse. Whether in deleting stuff that needs it, or keeping things from deletion, the existing procedure is cumbersome enough. What is needed is greater participation from interested people--greater intelligent and helpful participation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DGG (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}}}.
I definitely think that Wikipedia has become more of a totalitarian community above all else, and I think this must end now. Andrew Lih's blog entry was curiously thought-provoking. I look forward to working with you to return Wikipedia to the state it was in a few years ago in its heyday, before civil unrest broke out among the community members, and unnecessary deletion became the norm. I concur that the AfD legislation has become over-the-top and is leading to confusion and unnecessary deletion. --Queer As Folk 12:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

General Suggestions

and let me make a suggestion that here is a difference between improving articles that can be improved, and a defense of the impossible. Nobody at AfD objects to improving articles. Those most eager to delete an apparently unjustified piece of self-advertisement are very glad to change their mind, and acknowledge a good article. But improve it right: read WP:RS. Learn to use google effectively and patiently--I have saved many articles by checking through hundreds of ghits until I found a really good one.
perhaps you will allow me to make some practical suggestions based on a certain amount of experience there (The people contributing here already know this, by and large, but it may help to put things together)
  1. one demonstrates one's good faith by objectivity. There have been a few people coming to afd and voting to keep almost everything, or to delete almost everything. They do not help things, and either learn how to contribute effectively, or soon leave. Don't try to contribute to everything--pick a few articles on things you know about, and read the article and the article history before you start.
    I'm implicated in that; I'll make some effort to argue for deletion when it's warranted. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 05:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
    I must say that I am somewhat biased towards the whole deletion fiasco. I believe that so long as an article meets the minimum standards of Wikipedia, it should stay there for the sake of wholeness and completeness; who are we to say what or will not be useful? Of course, the content must be encyclopaedic yadda yadda yadda... but I take the "the more articles the better" approach, as it makes Wikipedia a more useful source, but reliability is of course a major factor, so I am completely and utterly for the imrovement of articles. --Queer As Folk 12:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  2. One further demonstrates one's objectivity by participating in deletion. Many bad and unimprovable articles articles escape New Pages: go there and look not at just the latest, but at ones a few thousand pages back, and nominate for the appropriate process: Read, understand, and follow WP:Deletion policy.
  3. AfD really is not a pure vote--despite occasional aberrations, closing admins almost always do look at the arguments, not count. Arguments on either side without a basis in policy and a knowledge of the facts are generally ignored. There is no point in showing up and saying "me too." It does not impress anyone to say "per whoever". If you can say why, that is what makes a difference. It's necessary to know the policies, not just as written on the policy pages, but as currently discussed on their talk pages, and as actually applied at AfD. Learn WP:N in particular, and its subpages. See what arguments work, and which do not. Follow the existing policy; there's no point in acting in opposition to it. Rather, try to affect the way it is interpreted and applied, and learn enough about how things work to propose desirable changes.
  4. And please recognize that anyone who is literally a pure deletionist or inclusionist does not understand reality. Most of us have interests in different things, and we get by by accommodating each other. To work in a wiki needs a willingness to compromise.
  5. Whoever loses their temper first, will lose the argument. If an opponent is not acting in good faith, there is no need to say so--just concentrate on the article. The merits of the case will appear readily enough.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by DGG (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}}}.

Addendum: To reiterate my gripe (which I've posted about elsewhere) in new language, arguments for deletion ought to be as jargon-free as possible. We fought this battle a year or two ago, when the use/abuse of "N.N. Delete" (an abbreviation for "not notable. Delete") as the sole reason for nomination was at last seriously discredited as a reason for deletion. If you want to nominate an article for deletion, just stating that it violates policy $INSERT_YOUR_FAVORITE_ABBREVIATION_HERE doesn't cut it. Explain why the article is (for example) a hoax, a vanity listing, or obviously not notable. Otherwise, I may lose my temper for good, & seriously propose that anyone who does this should be indefinitely blocked from Wikipedia until that person writes a 5,000 word essay explaining that they actually understand the policy, & how it applies to the article in question. </rant> -- llywrch 18:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, this is but one example of how those who believe themselves to be "elite" abuse language in an effore to both make themselves seem superior and to confuse others so that they will not retaliate. --Queer As Folk 12:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Amen, llywrch. If only. Rebecca 23:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

An additional option

I will be happy to help out here when I have time -- I think this is a very good, level-headed approach to the occasional bout of trigger-happiness on AFD.

I just wanted to make sure editors here are aware of one new option that has become available for well-written text about to undergo the Notability axe. The Annex (http://annex.wikia.com/) is a place that accepts any Wikipedia text that is going to be lost in page histories due to deletion or redirecting. It's especially sensitive to the extensive work on fiction (books, tv, comics, gaming) articles that are being gutted by recent policy. Those policies aren't necessarily bad -- an encyclopedia doesn't need in-depth detail on every aspect of every TV character ever -- but it is a shame to throw away or bury a lot of painstakingly developed and freely licensed text when there are other more specialized wikis out there that would be delighted to have it. The Annex will accept copied or exported text, ensure that the source is properly attributed, remove template formatting that's not necessary outside of Wikipedia, and then make an effort to find a home for the material in one of Wikia's 3,000 wikis, or in other free content repositories on the web.

I hope that this project can do a lot to keep worthy material in Wikipedia, but when it's worthy but doesn't belong here, please remember to use or recommend The Annex instead. Thanks! — Catherine\talk 07:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that this is neither here nor there. I could care less about where content goes if it has to be deleted from Wikipedia, but the last thing I want to see is good content from Wikipedia being dumped because "oh, there's somewhere else we can put it". Rebecca 07:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
There is also a need for a place to preserve text that people do not have time to work on until such time as they do. This is somewhat different from the purposes of the project mentioned. It remains available of course in the various web archives, and it is also available to administrators. I and most admins are generally willing to restore and userify any potentially worthy article that people may in good faith want to work on. If it is not being worked on, it is not appropriate to userify it, but almost any material can be emailed. DGG (talk) 07:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I disagree with Rebecca -- sending content somewhere is infinitely better than deleting it. Even if deleted content is preserved on the server, for the average reader there is very little indication that it was ever there -- sometimes no indication at all. For all intents, the information has disappeared down a black hole.
We just have to make sure that things are transparent: that anyone who might have come across the deleted article instead comes across a notice pointing to where it has moved to, that the authors are notified so they know where to find their work. And there also needs to be some sort of standardized mechanism for moving worthy content back from the annex (or wherever) to Wikipedia. That's all a little beyond the scope of the Rescue Squadron as it currently stands, but this is as good a place to talk about it as any. (And anyway, the project is a wiki page: if you think it's scope should be broader, be bold.) Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 08:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't disagree with you there - my point is that I'd rather it not be moved off Wikipedia at all if it is notable, and I don't want to see the existence of some extremely low-traffic dumping ground being used as an argument to increase the amount of notable stuff we're alraedy losing. Rebecca 10:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Rebecca completely -- I don't want this to be an excuse or a lever for deleting more information. I would just like to be sure that the people who work on the Rescue Squadron -- people who are by definition concerned about the deletion of good content -- are aware of this option when the tide of deletion is going against hard work that should not be lost. First priority should absolutely be referencing, rewriting, copyediting, and whatever else it takes to ensure that information that belongs here is kept, as this project page describes. However, there are some good articles that are being merged, redirected and occasionally deleted outright because they don't meet Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) or other notability guidelines -- in other words, not because someone hasn't worked hard enough on it, but because people have decided it doesn't belong here. Most pages touched by this project won't fit that, because we will be working to save the ones that do belong, but if we're looking at AfD anyway it's good to let people know about The Annex where it's needed. — Catherine\talk 05:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
While transferring these articles to another place is "infinitely better" than deleting it, as you put it, I think that a lot of content is being deleted nowadays that should stay right here on Wikipedia. Afterall, surely a user would rather have too much rather than too little. No? --Queer As Folk 11:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. I do think that there are specific reasons that places where wikipedia articles might go are extremely low traffic, and that those reasons can be fixed. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 16:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Userfying or moving to a "rewrite area" of a WikiProject is usually the best option here. As long as you deactivate the categories and inline link fair-use images, and don't just forget about the article, then the material is usually fine. Once it has been rewritten and referenced, it can be moved back into main article space. If you don't have time to work on something and it is not yet suitable for public consumption, you can even blank the page to avoid search engines finding it. But obviously, working on something and getting it back out there will (a) improve it due to input from other Wikipedians and (b) allow our readers to read the article. It used to be that such improvement from even awful articles took place "out in the open", but now the culture at AfD seems to be "delete" instead of "improve". Carcharoth 12:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


The disincentives to working on articles at AfD

There are some disincentives to working on articles at AfD that I would like to see addressed before carrying out this kind of work. I like to be able to review my edits and look back at articles I've worked on and watch their progress. This is not possible once an article has been deleted. The edits I made vanish from my contributions history (they are still there, but not made public). The other disincentive is that sometimes I feel the best solution is to redirect an article, but that often disrupts the progress of an AfD. While an AfD is in progress, it is possible to carry out a rewrite to demonstrate progress with an article, but how can you demonstrate at AfD the potential of carrying out a merger and redirect? Carcharoth 12:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe just do the merge, and hold off on the redirect? As far as disincentives -- yeah, that kind of sucks. But hence the rescue squadron metaphor: we're trying to change things by taking actions that are risky (for our edit counts) and inconvenient. (These disincentives are part of the reason I think it's not such a bad solution to move articles instead of deleting them, if it's done right.) Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 06:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

systemic bias

This is great. Just wondering if any of you guys also work on countering systemic bias. Any help is appreciated. Wl219 21:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about the rest of the folks here, but I have been known to type an article or two related to Ethiopia -- one of the items promoted by that project. But whether one of us are a part of that or not is mostly irrelevant to the goals of this project -- or almost any other WikiProject: we're here to expand free access to knowledge & learning, & what Tlogmer has proposed is Just Another Way to advance that goal. We all contribute in our own ways; remember that & respect that, & you'll understand the wiki way. -- llywrch 04:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Some thoughts on improving AfD process

I've long thought AfD was not the best way of reviewing borderline articles, especially the more technical or specialist ones. There seem to me to be several ways in which the process could be improved:

  • Somehow forcing AfD nominators to provide a decent rationale. "NN Delete" is still unfortunately in evidence.
  • More, quicker indexing to specialist subpages. The current efforts are extremely useful, but items tend to get included on a hit-or-miss basis, and often only after several days at AfD when previous commenters may have stopped watching the page.
  • Notifying relevant WikiProjects. In my experience, this often this results in an informed decision on what to do with the article.
  • More complete guidelines on what constitutes notability in some areas. For example, I've found WP:PROF is only any use in the most extreme cases.
  • Publicising other ways of dealing with problematic articles, such as tagging for referencing, notability, copy edit, merge &c&c. So many of the articles I see at AfD really shouldn't be there. Espresso Addict 03:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I would agree with the majority of those points, particularly on rationales. One thing I would like to see is an expansion and simplification of the things to do before nominating an AfD as it's just a little on the heavy side now. You could almost break it down into a check-list of items that could be used by less experienced editors to help reduce the afd flow. For example, have relevant cleanup tags been used and have they been place for a reasonable period of time? Was the creating user notified about the concerns? Has a relevant project been notified? Have you made a reasonable effort to look for sources to assist with notability, or worked with someone who can assist you in doing this? This might go some way to stem the problem at the very least. Thewinchester (talk) 04:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd agree with this. I get the impression some relatively inexperienced editors working on eg new page patrol don't really understand that deletion borderline enough to need AfD should be a last resort, not a first. Espresso Addict 04:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I also would agree with this. I have only ever participated in one AfD of an article - Out Now Consulting where certain users, like me, with little experience but interested in keeping it, also participated, but after what became a very heated set of arguments (I can certainly admit to getting really frustrated myself then) it was deleted. Some participants also wanting to keep did seem to me to be much more experienced than I was, but I was worried at the time it was against some policy to ask for help about trying to widen the scope of people looking at the article, and tried once at that time but got no response so thought better of it. What would have helped most was if there was some independent party who I could have got to help with the process of identifying what secondary sources were notable and how to include them to edit the article during the AfD. But i could not think how to do it. So tried myself and obviously failed. I also don't think all the things mentioned above were necessarily followed to the letter in that article's deletion. But there was lot of jargon flying around that was, for me, quite bewildering and isolating. I had an overwhelming feeling of helplessness as some people that were pushing for delete seemed much more experienced, and to know each other and the AfD process very well, and I really had wished there was somewhere that I could have turned to ask advice as I felt there was enough in that article to clean it up and make it notable. I tried but I just do not have enough editing experience to feel confident with it. Especially when the people pushing for delete were highly skilled at using policies and guidelines that I found myself trying to learn on the fly. The whole experience was draining and I have since had less appetite for WP as a result, but am trying to learn more and stick with it. Anything positive that happens here would be great if there was a way for more inexperienced users to seek advice in AfD discussions from more experienced users without falling foul of WP:CANVASS. I know too (now!) about the existence of a WP:DRV process but as a pretty unskilled WP user, the thought of going down that road is too much after how aggressive I thought the one AfD I participated in became - with what felt to me like a 'battle' between keep and delete sides breaking out, and I dread the thought of that happening again. "Be bold" yes, but I thought what happened there was beyond that. I like the idea of AfD being used only as a last resort and with the key *first* emphasis being to constructively try to improve an article, rather than being made an aggressive battleground from the very nomination, then degenerating almost immediately into two sides just fighting each other to 'win' over whether to delete or keep. It could be that other ways already exist on WP to seek input from experienced editors to help people like me trying to improve an article during such a difficult AfD process, but this WP:RESCUE group caught my eye, so maybe it could do so for other inexperienced editors too and provide some acceptable mechanism for people like me feeling all at sea during an WP:AFD. JeffStryker 10:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
to help with the process of identifying what secondary sources were notable - after some IRC chat, I've been looking at some ways to help fix that. Right now I'm thinking of just setting up a wiki on Wikia that will entirely be links; ie, you go there, you type in 'example.com', and it will cough back pros and cons people have had working with the site; is it reliable, do they move articles after to an archive after a period, does it appear to be neutral but it's actually funded by an oil cartel, etc. Secondary to that, there would be a link submission section - so that companies who want to avoid COI, but believe that they have information that Wikipedians could want but have no idea where it might be, because they don't quite 'get' how to use wikipedia, could submit a URL with a brief description and then just tag it with a subject or two. The submitted links could still be reviewed. Then when people are working on a page and they need more info on something, they could go to this Wikia, search for a subject or a site, and find out if other people have assessed the site as a reliable source or not. This is still in a really 'feeling it out' stage, and I'd love input. --Thespian 11:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't think noting the article is at AfD at relevant WikiProjects would count as canvassing, and would tend to accumulate experienced editors with a knowledge of policies and favourable in principle to the type of article. Espresso Addict 12:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

A call for unreason?

See Wikipedia:Requests for verification ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 04:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I find this knee-jerk reaction to anything mentioning a possible deletion distasteful, and proves to me the "wild-eyed inclusionist" attitudes that members of this project seem to embody, despite the warnings of the founder. ARS and this proposed project are not opposites, they are partners. If RFV is a concentrated effort to bring attention and force the verification of articles, then it's doing a favor for those who don't want to see articles deleted for a lack of sources by making a handy list of articles for ARS to work on. And it should keep articles simply needing cleanup and sourcing from being brought before AFD at all. VanTucky (talk) 04:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Not a "knee-jerk" reaction, and I am not an "inclusionist". Check my deletion log. For the record. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 04:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
RFV cannot force verification of articles in a manner that is detrimental to the project. Putting a 30 day notice on articles and an automatic deletion is not the way to build an encyclopedia that is written by occasional contributors. Most of the content in Wikipedia is added by such people that do not know our policies. It is our responsibility as editors to find sources, not to summarily delete articles. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 05:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
As a highly inexperienced wikipedian, I could not agree more.JeffStryker 11:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Heck VanTucky, you've come across me in enough AfD debates. You know full well that I'm nowhere near an inclusionist, and lean more towards deletionist. This group seems to be encouraging more sensable application of the AfD processes and helping to provide clearer guidelines for what should be improved, avoiding (but still knowing when to nomination an article for) deletion. Thewinchester (talk) 06:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
all he cleanup projects should b moving towards the same goal. The only thing that should really remain undecided is where we want to set the bar for different types of articles--we may never settle that sort of question, but otherwise we should all be able to agree on what a good article is and work toward it. If the different projects start working in opposition to each other the result will be worse than when we started, & set back all ateempts to improve. DGG (talk) 07:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio speedies - remove content rather than delete?

Leeds Town Hall has had an interesting history: there obviously has to be an article about this architecturally-important grade 1 listed building, but over the years two separate texts have been copyvio-d to create it (timeline at Talk:Leeds Town Hall). It was nominated for Speedy deletion on 13 July 2007 and deleted a few hours later: article, history, talk... all gone, leaving no trace of what had happened except that it had been deleted for copyvio. The person who deleted it has now restored the history so we can see what has happened, and can also retrieve Categories etc from last week's version. But yesterday, anyone looking at the page would have seen a small newly-created article and no indication (even in the history) that an earlier article had ever existed. And a couple of days ago, there were a host of red links pointing to this non-existent article. This can't be right, surely? If an article is on a topic which merits an article (and especially when it has had a number of good faith edits, albeit working on a basically copyvio text, and Categories), then surely copyvio text should be deleted, leaving the article as a stub with a history, rather than wiping out the entire article. (A warning about the Speedy delete nomination was placed on the user talk page of the anonymous user who created the page in Dec 2004, and who has not been active since 2005).

Have gone into this at a bit of length as it seems a category of article rescue which might be considered: rescue/retain the existence of the article (and categories, links, lead sentence) as a stub even if the rest is deleted as copyvio. PamD 10:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

This would probably require rewriting or gutting WP:CSD G12, essentially taking copyvio out of the realm of speedy. What if when blatant non-fair-use copyvio is spotted, replace the text with a giant copyvio tag and semi-protect the article? This way no content is lost in the long term and established editors can go in through the history to separate out the free and non-free content. Wl219 11:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Random Essayage

I was just looking at the essay pages, and I came across WP:OSTRICH, aka 'Don't Be an Ostrich'. It has a good and concise set of rules that I often find people nominating things for deletion have not taken the time to do; about half of the AfDs I've voted on this last month (not counting the stuff DGG was straightening out) was stuff that was fixed in under 15 minutes by following these rules.

A mindset core that I think needs to be changed is to disabuse people of the idea that they need to 'defend' Wikipedia against bad additions, and instead re-introduce the basic idea that we're here to actually *build* an encyclopedia. While deletion is absolutely necessary, every page that gets removed is a small amount of damage to the body of Wikipedia. Now, sometimes, the damage needs to be done; I mean, removing an appendix is also no doubt damaging to the body of a person, but sometimes, that bad boy just has to go. But that doesn't mean that the damage shouldn't be minimized, as much as possible. Almost every single person who joins Wikipedia joins because they use it a couple times, and then they see something to add, and they do so. Everyone starts out adding, and I think stressing that part of why people came here, and what they can do now that they really have the skills will help.

I'd also like to suggest we offer a 'Baker's Dozen' challenge to people who we see are nominating a lot of deletions; and ask that for every dozen articles they nominate for deletion, they make an effort to save one; in other words, to commit to trying to save 1 out of every 13 articles. If, after an effort is clearly made, it's still not salvageable, that's perfectly fine; the idea is just to pull the reins up and keep people from getting too heavily into pasting delete tags. --Thespian 11:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

How ironic that this essay was nominated for deletion. Too many Wikipedians believe that when a policy or essay is no longer immediately relevant it should be deleted. Maybe history is bunk. -- llywrch 19:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
The various "historical" or "rejected" tags should be used instead. People seem to think that deletion is not deletion. In fact, the ability to undelete later should not be assumed, especially years later. I often quote what Brion Vibber said here: "Deletion means deletion. The deleted page archives ARE TEMPORARY TO FACILITATE UNDELETION OF PAGES WHICH SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DELETED and are subject to being cleared or removed AT ANY TIME WITHOUT WARNING". That should always be borne in mind. Carcharoth 10:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I've got a mini-essay about "Deletion vs the construction of an encyclopedia" on my user page. Mathmo Talk 03:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

A Gift!

File:Rescuesquad.png

hope people like it. I have an urge to do one like an old-style 70s cop show promo ad, too.--Thespian 13:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

What is the meaning of the rope? how about without the rope.:Dc76\talk 18:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Aren't all life preservers equipped with a rope? The standard/stereotype image of a life preserver is often adorned with one. Maybe it's a US/UK thing... -- llywrch 19:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
indeed; search for life preservers on Google Images, and you won't find one *without* rope. When I did it without rope, it looked like a deranged wikipedian Saturn, not a life preserver. (in other words, the life preserver is improved by retaining all the information possible to it, including the rope ;-) ) --Thespian 22:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
ok-ok. Deranged Saturn did cross my mind. Ok, I just thought you gave to the rope some additional meaning. Anyway, forget it. I do like the logo. Except where is the word "article"? Are we rescuing everyone and everywhere? :-) Even inside WP it is still a lot other stuff to rescue. For example, to add "article" just above "...ue squ...."  :Dc76\talk 13:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Since we are having some fun here, let me share a thought that just crossed my mind. :-) I'm pretty sure you'll have fun. We can make a hymn for the "Resque Party" :-) :-) "Battle Hymn of the Resque Squadron":
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Resque:
They are trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath aren't few;
They hath loosed the fateful lightning on deletionist askew
The truth is marching on.
I've seen articles deleted by a hundred AfD [eif-dee] stamps,
They have builded their altar in the darkest dews and damps;
They destory the righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps:
Yet the truth is marching on.
We have sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
We are sifting out the garbage to allow good content fit:
Oh, be swift, my pen, to answer forth! be jubilant, my feet!
The tuth is marching on.
In the beauty of the lilies article was born across the sea,
With a glory in its bosom that transfigures you and me:
As it died to make men ponder, let us live to make it free,
Article is marching on.
 :-) :-) :-) have a nice day! :Dc76\talk 13:45, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


The Wikipedia cannot be used without official license from the Wikimedia Foundation. Wikimedia has given permission (or at least turned a blind eye) to the vandalism brigade, because there's a universal agreement they're useful. ARS? Not a universally-likable organization, unlikely to get the papal blessing. -- Zanimum 18:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
While I didn't know that, by way of 'turning a blind eye', they lose their ability to say it can't be used in this fashion. It's all or nothing. So they can stop everyone, or they can allow respectful use as above. Since they can't stop parody and satire of the logo, and since they allow it for other project organizations (and in point, the vandalism brigade is not universally-likable, either), they (meaning you, since you brought it up), are free to hunt down all usage of the logo and end it, or understand that this is in fact a allowable work (low res, all the goodies from WP:LOGOS) that does not harm the copyright holder. If Wikipedia goes after its own users for this sort of work, it's also likely to give legal opening to every logo and logo usage being removed from the site if the copyright holders decide to request it. --Thespian 19:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Requests for verification

Please see: Wikipedia:Requests for verification

A proposal designed as a process similar to Template:Tl to delete articles without sources if no sources are provided in 30 days.

It reads:

This page has been listed in Category:Requests for verification.
It has been suggested that this article might not meet Wikipedia's core content policies Verifiability and/or No original research. If references are not cited within a month, the disputed information will be removed.

If you can address this concern by sourcing please edit this page and do so. You may remove this message if you reference the article.

The article may be deleted if this message remains in place for 30 days.{{#if: 31| (This message was added: 10 April 2025.)|. Please check the article history to see when this message was added.}}

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, improve the article so that it is acceptable according to Verifiability and/or No original research.


Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. (help, get involved!)

Some editors see this as necessary to improve Wikipedia as a whole and assert that this idea is supported by policy, and others see this as a negative thing for the project with the potential of loss of articles that could be easily sourced.

I would encourage your comments in that page's talk or Mailing list thread on this proposal WikiEN-l: Proposed "prod" for articles with no sources

Signed Jeepday (talk) 14:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Idea: have it be checked every 10 days or so by an admin, and they decided if the tag is taken off or not. You could use a succession of tags, like {{RfV1}}, {{RfV2}}, and {{RfV3}}. The reason I'm saying this is because I don't want it to be like prod where anyone can just nuke the tag and possibly stop someone from seeing the fact it needs sources. Kwsn(Ni!) 15:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

    • I have elsewhere stated my opposition to this proposal. It is easy for one person to challenge in a few minutes dozens of articles, which would then take much more than 30 days to all get improved. I work regularly at sourcing such articles-- it takes me about an hour to do a simple sourcing, or but to do it properly on a difficult article on a subject not covered in the web takes at least several hours with both electronic and print access to a good library (I use Princeton and NYU). I can do about one a week that way, RW permitting.
There are two types of material that really needs sourcing--the many unsourced bios containing negative BLP that are still left from previous times, and the even larger number of articles that contain unsourced material that appears on its face to be POV or otherwise inaccurate. If a sourcing project uses proper priorities, and if it establishes the principle that an unsourced tag should not be placed unless the person actually tries to source it, and fails, and documents where he looked to facilitate the subsequent work of others then it would be useful. Even then, I am altogether opposed to fixed times. People do not do work well when under the pressure of a deadline--and it arouses resentment.
Personally, I think the way to go is to bring all articles under a subject-oriented project, where there are people who know the appropriate sources, and to work by project. DGG (talk) 00:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I've long suggested something along these lines (and I'm an inclusionist). The problem with this particular suggestion - as with the abuse of PROD and AfD for similar ends - is that it's completely arbitrary. The article gets nominated when some random who wants the article deleted nominates it, and anyone who wants the article kept has to drop what they're doing and fight it. It breeds nastiness, and it wastes time. Moreover, its pretty ineffective as a means of getting articles referenced - people are forced to focus on finding sources with some suitably glamorous "claim of notability", whether or not that has anything to do with the reasons the subject is actually notable, so as to convince people with no clue either way not to delete the article. A more sensible process would encourage people to get the articles properly sourced in full.

What would be a much more effective process is to treat unsourced articles similarly to the way we used to treat images back when copyright was just beginning to be enforced properly. We could have a bot tag a certain number of articles a month, and give people say, a three month window to actually get them sourced. You'd still have the time window before deletion to put pressure on people to actually source their work, but you'd be giving them more than enough time to do it - actually giving people time to get to libraries if necessary, and without forcing people to immediately drop any other projects on someone else's whim. Rebecca 06:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:PROD is dangerous

Surprised no one mentioned it here!

Not really, something is less likely to get deleted via prod than CSD. However, removing a prod tag usually results in an AfD. Kwsn(Ni!) 18:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Removing a PROD tag without improvement is what results in AfDs, as it should. Incidentally, PRODs are not mechanically deleted--the admin who deletes it is supposed to evaluate the article and delete, send to Afd, or keep as appropriate. At present, we have no automatic mechanism to ensure proper follow-up of removal of PROD tags, so those placing PRODs should watchlist the article. Many PRODs do get improved, and personally I think a non-template comment to the author helps in that. DGG (talk) 00:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
This shouldn't be the case with PRODs, and that wasn't what I had in mind when I supported its introduction back in the day. The PROD process was established as a means of deleting stuff that no one actually was likely to want kept, but didn't meet the strict speedy deletion criteria. It being used incorrectly in this way creates the same problem this was set up to address - good articles are being deleted not because they're not notable, but because they haven't been referenced in a completely random and arbitrary period which may not suit the people who have access to the references. That's just socially clueless - it's a means not to get many articles referenced, but to piss off as many people as possible. Rebecca 06:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletionist

I'm sort of a deletionist, but I see what you guys mean. If you want any views from the other side of the fence, just drop me a line :). Kwsn(Ni!) 15:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, we want you to tear down that fence, Mr Gorbachov Kwsn. :-) :Dc76\talk 18:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Heh, well, I personally prefer merging than deleting if something has a little notability, but not enough to have a whole article, but if you want to know how we think, just ask away. Kwsn(Ni!) 18:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
The problem is that not you are deciding every article to merge or to delete: maybe if it were done all through you, there would be no problem. Personally, I think "Articles for Resque" could work as a revue process after "Articles for Deletion". In AfD, there are many who say "until you improve it, we delete it". Often they do not even allow the article to be placed on some kind of probation for a period to be worked upon. This does have its own merrits: there are a lot of proposed articles that do merit deletion - advertising, political opinion, etc. But the Deletionist Party is on its own ground in AfD - they are congregating there, while those in favour of double-triple reading only come there ocasionally. AfR would be then where one places and appeal. After an initial overview if the original article was not advertising or plain vandalism, some from the Resque Party would recover the article in some project-space, where it can be improved. When it reaches some better level, it can be moved in mainspace. At that point, it can be placed in AfD and deleted again, then in AfR again - the result will undoubtably be that the quality will improve (or an alternative merging solution would be found), b/c no sane person is going to aprove the return to mainspace of something that has not been improved. :Dc76\talk 13:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and something you may like of mine

An essay on how to change WP:WEB. Personally, even I think that's too strict. Kwsn(Ni!) 18:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Some comments

"One person can't outvote a dozen." - AfD isn't a vote, so you don't need to "outvote" anybody. If someone brings up proof of notability, and it's valid, people often take notice.

"extensive article that's been edited over 800 times since July 2005." - This is not a valid argument to keep an article. Theoretically, you can have one very prolific, Preview-phobic editor who makes hundreds of tiny edits to an article on his garage band over several months, adding an extensive record of every time they play another show. For a less extreme example, you can have an article that is a hoax, but a very good one that many editors take for granted.

"Look at what was speedy deleted the fourth time." - I looked. At a casual glance, I can see why a reader would believe it didn't assert notability. It reads just like any other of the thousands of band articles that hover just above the WP:MUSIC line. While the band was probably notable, the article sure didn't get that across very well.

That's generally my point. If your subject is notable, tell the reader; don't expect him or her to imply it. This almost always requires more than one sentence. I can think of very few notable subjects for which there is only one sentence's worth of information out there. Crystallina 20:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I've taken your comments into consideration and made a couple of rewording edits to the project page. I disagree with you about the Christian band though. New, stubby articles often need work to bring them into point by point compliance with WP:NOTE, especially if they were created by newbie contributors who've never seen the policy page before. Remember WP:AGF and WP:BITE. Wl219 21:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the easiest way to salvage an article is to provide reliable sourcing on the subject. It really only takes a few minutes of googling on all but the most obscure topics (or a trip to the various language portals for a topic in another language) and really does improve the article. Integrating DGG's ideas into the project would be nice. One of the biggest problems with AfD currently is that people think WP:N seems subjective. But WP:V isn't. ColourBurst 23:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
This just isn't true, and that's part of what's so harmful about the current situation. If you're dealing with an article about a band or a living person, then yes, sources are generally easy to come by. If you're not dealing with that, however - something that generally doesn't make good newspaper copy - then you may need to have access to a good library, perhaps one in a particular geographical location. This often means that you just can't get sources in a random seven-day period. Alternatively, it can lead to some very stupid discussions - just a few days ago, we had people running round trying to quantify the notability of the country's largest and most well known cat food brand to satisfy the nomic metric. Rebecca 06:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

More comments from the Deletionist

First, I think a link to Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions would be nice, as it outlines weak arguments for both keep an delete (and guess what WP:RUBBISH links to).

Examples

  • Russophobia deletion entry - PROPOSED July 13, clearly a widely used term and an extensive article that's had over 800 non-trivial edits by multiple editors since July 2005. Trending to keep, thankfully. Bizarre arguments for deletion:
    • "Original essay, a collection of arbitrary facts from newspapers, internet sites and similar sources to prove the existence of a particular prejudice." Yes, egads, those pesky facts. Sources clearly point to existence of the term used during the Cold War.
    • "We have already had Anti-Hellenism (deleted), Anti-Bosniak sentiment(deleted), recreated Bosniakophobia (and deleted again), Anti-Hungarian sentiment(deleted), etc. compiled in exact same way." The method is not the question. Do the sources backup the claim that this is a well used and accepted term? Yes it does. Seems Russophobia got caught up in a crusade against multiple pages with -phobia. Thse sweeping en masse deletion are dangerous because one often uses the worst of the bunch as a justification to delete others that may be entirely different. See Estophobia for the spark that ignited much of this.
    • "Delete This topic is not backed by verification in reliable sources, and most of its contents seem to be original research. And while this may be more a cleanup rather than a deletion issue, it also is extremely POV." Someone admits this should be a cleanup and not a deletion, and what do they do? Vote delete.
  • ATV News deletion entry - PROPOSED July 13, deletion voter shows a fundamental misunderstanding about what Wikipedia is.
    • "Chinese-language version of ATV News has a much larger potential audience - about 60 times the size, and might be notable, but if so, should be in Wikipedia-Chinese, not English" Er, no, English language Wikipedia can and should have articles about things in other languages.
(votes overwhelmingly to keep--the international nature of WP is well understood--this is not one of the current problems)DGG (talk) 03:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

(this will take widespread community involvement to reverse)DGG (talk) 03:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

    • I agree. Middle-earth in popular culture wasn't in great shape, but there is no doubt there should be an article of some sort at many of these pages. The arguments often given for deletion are ones that could be rebutted if someone actually edited the pages concerned. Carcharoth 12:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • List of songs about masturbation - DELETED July 15, 2007. While I'm no personal fan of this page, it does show the shifting line in the sand. This page has been around since March 2005, had over 1,000 edits. It survived VfD in April, October, November of 2005, but finally in July 2007, it's been flushed.
  • This Beautiful Republic was speedy deleted around 4 times without discussion. The last time is was marked as part of WikiProject Contemporary Christian Music, and was being edited by WikiProject members. It had several elements that met WP:MUSIC (or were close enough to require discussion), including a national tour, signed to a major Christian label, and a reference from a reliable source (although there was only one reference). Look at what was speedy deleted the fourth time. The last time was as the artist was hitting the national charts in the U.S., and receiving significant rotation. Their single hit #5 on some national charts shortly after the deletion. I had the article restored to my sandbox, and strongly referenced the article before taking it to mainspace. The speedy deletion process failed in this case. Royalbroil 21:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

About the examples

Regarding Russophobia, seems like a case of WP:ALLORNOTHING to me.

Regarding the "Popular culture" articles: half WP:ALLORNOTHING, half WP:TRIVIA.

Regarding This Beautiful Republic, not even I would tag that for speedy deletion without checking the label if one is linked (half the time, one isn't given however).

Regarding song lists: WP:NOT#INFO. That, and a category would work just as well (and would prevent some person dropping a random song into it).

I'm open to comments. Kwsn(Ni!) 00:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

    • I do not think the general discussion of example belongs on a project page like this; on most clean up projects, just the title of the article is mentioned. Kwsn has the right idea, and I have BOLDly transferred the section here, just above his comment. Further--it really isnt necessary to reproduce the discussion from the AfD--just to link to it. Unlike articles, AfDs do not get deleted. DGG (talk) 00:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Follow Ups

Something else I'd like to ask any of you about is Follow Ups; I have frequently hit AfDs out there where the item was nommed by someone who didn't even bother to really look, they just went for the 'I haven't heard of it' argument. Often because the original editor 'knows' it to be notable, they don't understand why someone is saying it's not, and can't fix it. Now, I don't have the time or energy to fix any more articles that I'm not interested in than I already am (there is *surely* a reason why I seem to be the main contributor to Adam Sandler, but I don't understand how it happened). But I frequently will argue, 'It's notable, here's some stuff, here's some other stuff, and a bit over here, too. I'll fight to keep your article for you, but I can't do this work for you.'

Often after I do that, there will be a flurry of 'Keep per Thespian' comments, and the article will be saved. Now, I don't want to spend time on the article. Until I get paid to do this, that is not for me. But having 'saved' it, I'm trying to come up with a way of keeping track of making sure that people do take the info I dig for them and fix the articles, and also, ways to nudge people who said, 'sure, I'll fix this!' and then never do.

Are any of you doing this? How do you do it? Would that fall within the scope of this project? --Thespian 07:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I have the same experiences at my end and have found no other way than to keep checking in with the article and nudging those who offered to contribute, whilst continuing to fend off trouble. Luckily the articles that interest me attract only small numbers, but still the occasional fly drops in and slams the article without having read past the first sentence, sometimes just fired by a phrase and then they place tags on it, which I later remove. Follow up seems within the scope of this squadron. --Ziji File:Baby tao.jpg (talk email) 09:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Listcruft deletion gone wild...

Need your opinions on articles that have been around since 2005, and are now on the chopping block as "listcruft." I'm of no strong feeling one way or the other right now, but do see it as a shame to see such things as:Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2007_July_18#List_of_cultural_references_to_A_Clockwork_Orange, as simply rehashing debates and challenging norms by newbies. -- Fuzheado | Talk 14:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I suspect that this is an outgrowth of a comment Jimbo made to the WikiEN-l maillist many moons ago. He was showing off Wikipedia to some people, happened to click on an article where there was a list of "X in popular culture" which detailed every mention of this subject on The Simpsons. A collective rolling of eyes followed, with the usual crumudgeonly observations about Wikipedia going to hell in a handbasket, film at 11. This dislike for listcruft filtered out to the general community where it was heard not as "let's try to improve the content of these lists" but as "death to all lists about high-culture subjects appearing in popular culture". In other words, complain about something passionately enough & a few months down the road a progrom will be launched to eliminate every occurance of it. -- llywrch 16:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
If they do it too much, they should be told not to do it at all... We're not the only place with that problem. Circeus 16:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

relevant debate

The Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paternal bond seems like something this project would interested in. VanTucky (talk) 18:42, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


The Bat-Signal

I've created a template -- Template:Rescue -- for people to add to pages that need the Rescue Squadron's attention. As you can see, it only contains a category. People could just add the category to the page directly, but doing it this way offers more flexibility.

One caveat: I don't code templates, so I have no idea whether the one I've made works (or whether it's acceptable, policy-wise).

Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 02:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Greetings, I have enhanced the template. Please let me know your thoughts. Fosnez 11:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Cool. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 10:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Merging to save content

What do people here think of the idea that merging can often save stubs until enough verifiable and notable information has been found to spin an article back out again? In many cases, merging is the true solution, and in some the suggested merge destination is 'full' already. But merging can be a good idea, particularly because the edit history of the old article gets preserved at the redirect (it is rare for a redirect with extensive edit history to be deleted, though you still have to watch for that sort of thing). Carcharoth 11:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

It depends on the type of merge you're talking about. If you mean a simple cut and paste, I think that for the most part degrades other articles with rambling lists and trivia. But if you mean the type of action that User:Chubbles1212 and myself just carried out with Cultural references to guinea pigs, then yes. Shifting the content of articles likely to be up for deletion into a good prose format and merging them with main articles seems to be a positive thing. VanTucky (talk) 17:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I think merging is rarely a good option. The information from the original article in many cases does not fit easily into the target article, which means that it must be mostly deleted to be of any use there. Moreover, it substantially reduces the prospect of getting an actual useful article on the original topic, seeing as breaking it back out requires a bit of wiki knowledge that a lot of newers users will not have. Rebecca 04:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
If the information is unsourced merging only ends up with it subsequently being deleted from there as well. Gnangarra 04:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Which is why using the deletion processes as a means of getting stuff sourced (at least on its own) is a completely stupid way of attempting to get articles referenced. Rebecca 04:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, merging sounds good, until you look at the way it is often applied in WP . At least in contentious situations. it tends to be a way of eliminating content without exactly saying so. It should be seen as a modified version of deletion" sometimes necessary, but to be carefully watched and not done without good reason. It has places, especially when it can be generalized for a type of articles: for a group of minor gentry, important, but where articles on each are impractical for lack of secondary sources; for schools with only directory information into an article about the school district. for individual episodes of a TV serial. But it is not a panacea, and like all processes which delete content, needs to be used cautiously. DGG (talk) 05:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Some points that may counter some of the concerns expressed above include: (a) merging preserves the edit history of the original article, making it possible for ordinary editors to see the version before merging (when an article is deleted, only admins can see it); (b) using the Category:Redirects with possibilities template to label the redirect and listing it somewhere (like here), with a link to the version before merging, to bring it to the attention of people who might want to resurrect it at some point after working to find the references.

I agree that this is not ideal, as in an ideal wiki world the article would be worked on 'in the open' with maximum input from lots of editors. However, in practice, especially in the current AfD climate, articles are nominated for deletion before they get worked on. Of course we must work to change the culture of "delete instead of working on an article" that affects some nominations at AfD, but in parallel, this is one technique for 'saving' articles.

Another 'rescue' technique' I mentioned above is moving pages to a "rewrite" area, rewriting them, and then bringing them back. I will expand this below. Carcharoth 22:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I have been rummaging through the "redirects with possibilities" category I mentioned above, and the majority are redirects that were never expanded upon, or have sections on the topic being redirected. What is really needed is a tool to detect the redirects with possibilities that have an extensive edit history. Anyone know how to do that? Carcharoth 22:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite areas

What do people here think of the idea of rewrite areas? This sort of idea already exists in that for some articles some admins are quite happy to restore copies to a user's userspace and allow them to work on it, with the complete edit history, and then move it back into main article space when it is ready. My idea here would be simply to extend this to Wikipedia space, where people can collaborate on such rewrites. I'm sure this already happens in various formal and informal ways, and I am surprised it is not mentioned here (as far as I can see). What I am proposing is that in addition to the "keep", "delete", "merge", "redirect" and other options mentioned and !voted on at AfD, we try and make the option of "rewrite" more prominent. The idea is that some articles are: (a) in such a bad state and (b) don't have many editors available to work on them - that they should be shunted off to a rewrite area until they are ready to be moved back to main article space. Of course, the AfD should give some idea of what is needed in a rewrite, but this would be far less destructive than deletion. You could have the option of "rewrite in userspace"; "rewrite in WikiProject X space" and "rewrite in Article Rescue Squadron space" (for any unclaimed articles that shouldn't be deleted).

If this was considered a viable option, then the article would be moved, complete with edit history, to the rewrite location. Editing would proceed there, and then it would be moved back to the location it had come from when it was ready. There would have to be limits set on this. You don't want a user or WikiProject ending up with 100 rewrites and not doing any of them. Maybe some sort of time limit of a month (or more if requested). Plus other details I'm not sure of. Plus the rewrite location should be subject to future AfDs, rather than MfDs (Miscellany for deletion). There is also the thorny problem of what to do with what are probably lots of "never done" rewrites moldering away in people's userspaces.

One big problem with this is that you are left with a mainspace redirect to a Wikipedia namespace location (ie. a cross-namespace redirect). If you delete this, then lots of redlinks get created which may then get delinked (which would be disastrous), and also someone may (on seeing a redlink) write a new article. Keeping the redirect means that people still get directed from the links in articles to the rewrite that is in progresss, and get very confused that they have been taken out of the main article space (if they are just an ordinary reader). This combination of problems may be insurmountable, but maybe others have thoughts on this. Carcharoth 23:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Great idea. I wish AfD participants would entertain this option more often. As for implementation issues, I think we can have an inverse time limit for relisting back to AfD. If there are lots of people in the original nom that say they'll help rewrite/fix the article, then it should take less time for the collaboration to put together something that will at least survive a PROD. Also forces those people to keep their commitments to fix. If it's just a few editors, naturally they might need more time. What if we start it at 1 month time limit to rewrite if there's 1 editor willing to do it, and subtract 2 days for each additional editor willing to help out, until we reach 7 days. Participants will thus have between 7-30 days to make good on their commitment to rewrite. It'll be up to the admin who closes the original AfD nom to police the time limit.
As for the redirect confusion, I think we can solve that by having the restoring admin semi-protect it and mark it with a big tag up top that says "this article is in draft form and is actively being edited to bring it into compliance with WP standards, as such it should not be considered an official part of WP." I think that's idiot-proof enough for most (reasonable) casual readers. Wl219 07:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps we need a system for content deletion which leaves the article in existence as a kind of stub. Particularly useful in cases where the reason for deletion is related to the article (copyvio, unsourced, etc) rather than the topic (not notable etc), and/or where "What links here" shows multiple links and/or redirects from elsewhere. Delete the central block of content, leaving whatever is unobjectionable: likely to be any dab statement, categories, stub categories, perhaps "external links", any "see also" links to other WP articles, possibly any infobox or other similar (depends why the page is being considered for deletion). The lead sentence if it's uncontroversial: if not, create a new one where possible. Then stick a big template on to say that the content of the article is under review and can be seen/edited "here". That way no-one finds red links and starts to re-create the article or delink, and the infrastructure and history of the article remains. Sure, it would take a little longer than just deleting the whole page - but Wikipedia would be the better for it! PamD 08:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It's still going for the idea of "shoot first, ask questions later", which is just unnecessary. If there is anything dubious or which raises any BLP issues, it should be shot on sight as a preventative measure. There's no reason, however, to go about removing all unreferenced content - you're just creating a morass of far less useful articles. We need to redirect this energy away from trying to delete unreferenced content to sourcing it - at the moment, I and others who would spend more time referencing articles are trying to waste a whole lot of time and energy fending off pointless deletion bids for good articles and good content. Rebecca 09:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm still wincing from the total disappearance of Leeds Town Hall for "copyvio" when it was long-established and had useful content and tags apart from the very long-established coypvio text, as well as many links pointing to it! PamD 10:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
That was a speedy deletion that wasn't carefully considered enough. That sort of thing generally gets fixed if someone notices it. That's not really what article rescue is for. Carcharoth 19:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It looks like the solution is for those with 'clue' to hang out at AfD and actively reference articles for those who are too lazy to do so, or who aren't able to search for said references. Anything that people think is notable but they need more time to find references for, should be listed here and taken to deletion review when the references are found. The culture won't swing back overnight, and it will take hard work, but that is what this project is part of organising, it seems. First up would be to get someone to give a lesson in saving an article at AfD. Anyone? Carcharoth 19:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

See the AfD debate for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Law Practice managment software. A little self-promoting of me maybe, but I take pride in saying I helped save it from deletion. Not only was consensus to keep but the nom was withdrawn. Compare what it was when first nominated [4] with the way it is now. Wl219 03:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Article links

Despite AfD being changed sometime ago to use the Template:Tl template that gives links to an article's talk page, links, history, and page logs, I wonder whether people make as good use of these as they should?

  • The article history link should be used to check whether a better version of the article existed previously, and to see how long the article has existed for and how many edits has been made to it. The number of different contributors and the type of contributions can sometimes indicate how many other people have taken the time to edit the article previous to the AfD.
  • The talk page should be checked for previous AfD discussions, and those discussions should be linked from the current AfD.
  • The "what links here" links should be checked to see how many other articles link to this one. A large number of links from other articles can be evidence that the article title is needed, regardless of the current content.
  • Finally, the page log should be checked to see if the article previously existed. If the article previously existed, the current article might just be a recreation. But equally this can be a sign that the previous deletion was faulty and there is a need for an article if people are independently recreating an article.

Failure to check some or all of the above four points can be a sign of a poorly-thought out nomination. Maybe checking things like this could be something this project does? Carcharoth 12:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Everyone interested in solving this problem should help in the way they can best contribute. We all agree that current practices at AfD is a problem -- misuse of the deletion process to solve issues like insufficient citations, bad writing, various other manifestations of laziness, & the usual polemical campaigns. No one solution will fix this; just because the people causing this problem think of AfD as a hammer is no reason for us to. -- llywrch 17:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
of course people should watch afd, and these hints are a useful checklist. Nobody can watch them all, and attention should be paid in particular to the ones that get few comments. DGG (talk) 03:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Flawed-rationale attacks on glossary lists

Please be on the lookout for any attempts to delete glossary articles on the basis of WP:DICT/WP:NOT. The reasoning is flawed (a glossary is not a dicdef), and glossaries are expressly, by name, mentioned as a valid variety of list-style article in the Manual of Style (at Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists)#Format of the lists).

For more background argument on this topic, see my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Australian and New Zealand punting glossary (which survived AfD) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2000 AD glossary (which did not survive AfD, but on grounds of WP:V and WP:C), as well as a Village Pump thread which can be found here, under "Glossaries" (I'm using a history link here because VP archives are dumped very quickly).

— SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The WP:NOT#DICT policy once had a specific exemption for glossaries which was removed and led to this discussion, which clearly represents no consensus for removing the exemption (and while it might appear from that discussion that there is no consensus for including it, the mere continued existence of List of glossaries and the pages listed there seems to demonstrate otherwise). Unfortunately, at least on policy pages, WP:CONSENSUS seems to have been de facto superseded by WP:TENACITY (red link intentional), which is why (IMHO) the explicit glossary exemption continues to be missing. DHowell 23:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
WP:TENACITY -- I described this phenomena to someone last week, & his response was "Oh, you mean reaching a decision by being an asshole?" Sigh. There are times when one should kick & scream, & times when one should be silent & accept the consensus for the good of the project. -- llywrch 20:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Please refrain from using profain language. Thank you. --Queer As Folk 22:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia maintenance

Should we consider becomming part of the afore mentioned category ? ARE we part of the 'maintenance' process ? or are we a wholly different set of 'gnomes' ? This opens into the discussion on how well do we wish to be advertised? The more we are advertised...IMHO... the thinner we will be spread amongst needy articles, at least in the beginning phase and not helpful to our original cause. I bring this up here after looking at the Category for quite a while ... not being able to decide and wanting consensus. (Of course there is THIS category if we wish to keep a covert profile :P )

And on a seperate note... Will we be getting a Shortcut to the namespace page ? eg. WP:Rescue to go along with the {{Rescue}} template

Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 02:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Reading for today

SMcCandlish has been asking the following question of candidates over at WP:RfA -- which for therecord I think is a good one:

Selecting one item listed at Category:Candidates for speedy deletion that arguably does not belong there, that arguably does not belong there, explain (citing WP:CSD and/or WP:DP in detail) why it should not be speedily deleted. (If all of them appear to be appropriate candidates, say so and I'll think of replacement test of admin judgement.) Your personal, subjective opinion of the value of the item (how well written it is, the importance of the topic beyond satisfying WP:CSD's notability requirements, and so forth) should not be a factor.

However, one person who does not seem to get the point is arguing with him over the need to ask this question, leading SMcCandlish to write this explaination -- which I recommend to one & all to read.

I don't think there is any violation of WP:POINT here; one candidate answered that he couldn't find any articles that fit the criteria, & that was an acceptable answer. It's just that with all of the shoot-on-sight material that streams in, odds are always pretty good that there will be several mislabelled articles there. -- llywrch 04:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the qy was not necessarily confrontational and that most candidates gave reasonable answers, but there was strong objection from the supporters of some other candidates, & the current sentiment seems to think it was unduly POINTy & I wouldnt want to oppose that. The usual way of asking about this topic is to examine edit histories and ask about specific edits--this seems universally accepted. 06:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs)

Sometimes it may be difficult to find candidates for speedy deletion that don't belong on the list, because an admin with a trigger finger may have been patrolling the list recently. I was astonished by the speed with which The Webb Schools (an article with a nearly-two-year history of editing by many different users) was deleted, apparently on grounds that the then-current version read like a brochure. See User talk:Maxim/Archives#Your deletion of The Webb Schools. I had removed several speedy-delete templates (placed by an IP user who clearly dislikes the school) in the days before the deletion, so I was watching the article fairly closely (I noticed the deletion after the red link appeared on my watchlist), but I imagine that many other articles have disappeared without a trace.--orlady 21:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

It took me a while to think of a useful response to this important comment, but now I have it: articles that have been around for a long time and/or with more than the average number of edits should not be marked as Candidates for Speedy Deletes. This does not mean they should not be nominated for deletion -- or the discussion closed under WP:SNOW. Speedy Deletes are supposed to be no-brainer obvious choices that any experienced editor would immediately agree should be guillotined; any article with that much edit history requires some investigation, some amount of thought -- not a quick hatchet job. This is something that probably should be discussed in Wikipedia:Village Pump. -- llywrch 19:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I would say that have been substantially edited by more than one person over a period of time. There s a good deal of junk fro 2006 and before that has never gotten deleted--the wording will be a little tricky. "For more than 6 months with significant contributions by more than two different editors over a period of time" (And exceptions must always be made for copyvio and BLP) I agree this would be a good change, but I think there may be trouble getting it accepted. DGG (talk) 06:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Good suggestions. I don't think any rigid mechanistic rule will do the trick (but then again i don't like rigid mechanistic rules). However, if the main message (whether from a mechanistic rule or a vague guideline) is "review the edit history before doing a speedy delete," it might go a long way toward preventing unduly speedy deletes.--orlady 01:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I could live with Orlady's suggestion, but I still think that CSD's ought to be limited to obvious, no research needed, shoot-on-sight candidates. The presence of an edit history which needs to be reviewed before acted on contradicts that. And even if the edit history has nothing in it which redeems the article, even that simple explaination means that someone has to write up an argument for deletion -- which means it should be referred to WP:AfD. -- llywrch 02:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Member Numbers

You may notice that I numbered the Members List (as a consequence Tlogmer's comment had to be moved down because the list would start at 1 after the comment). The reason I have numbered us is twofold: 1) People viewing the page can see just how much we have grown and the size of our group and 2) it may sometimes be easier to refer to ourselves as member number...of the ARS. PS I am not an expert Wikipedian so maybe someone can help me out: is there a way we can prevent new members from putting themselves as Member no. 1 or 3 or 5 when they should be no. 50, for example? I feel that when the ARS has grown to hundreds, it would be nice that we get recognised as the people who were there at the start. Just a thought. --Queer As Folk 15:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Putting dates after names is always a good idea, butI think you're worrying about something that's not all that important. Someone would only do that if they're desperate for attention, & either do not know that this is not the best way to gain it -- frankly, I consider that almost as sad as lying about one's Wikiholic score -- or are trolling -- in which case they'll get in trouble for more serius actions. -- llywrch 19:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I had the list bulleted to show a sort of egalitarian doesn't-matter-when-you-joined spirit. (But then I kept moving new entries to the bottom because, of course, I do care about being member #1 :p ). In general, focusing on join-date status tends to be unhealthy for groups. (And hopefully the rescue squadron will stop being needed before membership rises to the hundreds.) Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 10:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:Rescue

Wouldn't it make more sense just to use the category that this template categorizes articles into, and delete the template? IronGargoyle 22:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Another surprise

Some well-meaning soul has decided to add a template that questions the notability of each episode of The Office (UK). I'm speechless. -- llywrch 03:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

A similar project that may interest you

I just found out about this project. I just formed a project called Wikipedia Intensive Care Unit that may have similar goals, though I come at it from more of a deletionist point of view. Comments and suggestions are welcomed at WP:ICU. Thanks ! Realkyhick 15:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Zerg up for deletion

Apparently it is not noteable (by the gods I hate that term). The article is in need of a rewrite, but I don't think the argument for deletion is very strong. I just joined the Rescue Squadron, and I can't quote policy to save it myself, so I have added it to the Category. I though I would just pop it here too and introduce myself. Fosnez 11:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Is this project for improving articles or just an excuse to vote stack? MartinDK 08:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Please read the project page and have a nice day. - Fosnez 08:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Quoting policy is the last refuge of the scoundrel. ;) "Notability" is the concept that articles about your lover of the appropriate sex, your pet, & your favorite bit of trivia are not worth an article in Wikipedia because of their value to you. However, if you can make a plausible argument that someone else would be actually want to read an article about any of these -- or other -- things, no matter how obscure, esoteric or rooted in popular culture, then they are notable. The Devil is in the details, & some people are better skilled at explaining notability than others. -- llywrch 07:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
all sensible inclusion-oriented people with experience at AfD know that improving a challenged article is the best way to keep it. Vote stacking rarely works, whereas real improvement will certainly have an effect on the fair-minded. I 'm not about to use this project to comment on what I wouldn't otherwise comment on--I do intend to use it to improve what I otherwise might not get to. DGG (talk) 19:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

TDVision up for deletion

  • TDVision - about to be deleted per WP:CORP because of writing style. Notable, needs editing. User:Krator (t c) 08:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

The above comment was moved from the front page - Fosnez 06:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Republican National Committee

Someone from an ip address put a speedy tag on this for spam, and then added our banner--I've removed them both. Perhaps it was just a test. DGG (talk) 21:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Userbox


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. Greetings, I have created a userbox for the project. I think the associated category would be a better way of keeping an up to date member list. Any comments? Fosnez 01:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I like it! Ichormosquito 05:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:Talkarchive Template:Archive-nav Template:Talkarchive Template:Archive-nav

Get rid of the militaristic terminology

...and this could be a good idea. Seriously, all the talk about squadrons and such attracts exactly the wrong kind of people. Zocky | picture popups 15:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, I never thought of it at all in militaristic terms. The term "rescue squadron" at least in the US is used in the emergency and firefighting field much more than in the military sense. -- Fuzheado | Talk 17:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I admit, the word "squadron" does have a militaristic connotation, but in a Saturday-morning cartoonish sort of way. As in a group of kids wearing beenie caps with propeller blades, and solving Hardy Boys-style mysteries. Anyone for "Captain Tlogmer and the Article Rescue Squadron"? We could sell advertising space to the junk food of our choice. :-) More seriously, I doubt anyone would object if you came up with a name for a group of people that doesn't have such an unfortunate association. llywrch 23:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
If I am not mistaken, in the military a squadron is lead by a lieutenant (or a first lieutenant where this rank exists), while a captain leads a company, usually of 4 squadrons. So, by saying "Captain Tlogmer and the Article Rescue Squadron" we would automatically show that it is not used in militaristic terms. (Well, that supposes the reader knows that a squadron is led by a lieutenant.) But he name is nice. :-) BTW, who's Tlogmer?:Dc76\talk 18:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
"Captain" is one of those leadership titles that extends beyond the military sense. "Captain of a ship", for example. And the old parties of mountain men would be organized into groups under a captain. (FWIW, Once I came up with the "Captain Tlogmer" bit, I found msyelf wanting to rename the group "the Article Rescue Rangers". I would have suggested it earlier, but I was away from my usual Internet connections last night.) -- llywrch 19:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
"The article rescue rangers" is pretty good. I like "squadron" better, but I'm easy. Squadron was good for grabbing attention; rangers might be a better name from a promoting-wikilove point of view. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 06:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
"Article Rescue Rangers" might appeal to my inner furry, but I think I prefer "squadron". I wouldn't mind "Captain Tlogmer and the Article Rescue Squadron", either, to be honest. Ichormosquito 20:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Furthermore, it seems that we are using very Russian-istic language - when someone comes on the page, the first thing they read is "Step up, Comrades", which also creates a negative aura around the "squadron". However, I think that it is a quirky name for a dedicated group, and don't want to see it change (especially since I have already gone ahead and made a t-shirt for myself). --Queer As Folk 11:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The Russian stuff was deliberate, and sort of tongue-in-cheek. A kind of "we're cool, you're cool, we all know that the USSR was terrible, so there's no harm in appropriating its stereotypical terminology". Though there's no better language of motivating people than Russian. Plus, we get to have cool logo if I ever get around to making it. (The page doesn't belong to me, though -- be bold, etc.) Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 17:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
OIC, you are Tlogmer. You are the guy who started all this. Hi there.:Dc76\talk 18:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
OH HAI! IM IN UR TALK PAGE, MESSIN WITH UR COMMENTS Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 06:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
After all, in Soviet Russia, Deletionists FIND YOU. --Thespian 09:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

A technological fix

Really, anyone who has worked on an article (minor edits exempted) should be sent a message (by a bot or something) if that article is nominated for deletion. Automation is usually (rightly) frowned on, but I think it would work well here. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 07:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Not everyone keeps articles they've created or heavily edited on their watchlist. I for one like to keep my watchlist relatively small for manageability. And not all AfD nominators do the courtesy of notification. Wl219 10:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I like this idea, a lot. do we know if it's actually practicable? AndyJones 12:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

...and an associated danger

I keep my created articles in a list but not all in my watchlist (the same manageability concerns) and surprisingly (or not surprizingly) there were quite a few deletions totally out of process, like, tagged and deleted the same day. IMO one of the jobs of ARS if to keep track of such trigger-happy, although well-meaning admins, warning them about being too bold and do some whistleblowing if they persist. `'Míkka 20:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Code of Conduct

From what's starting to happen I see the danger for this page to turn into vote solicitation billboard or for accusations that "inclusionists" are engaging in vote stacking. If this happens, this project will be forced to close, like it happened with equally (if not more) well-meaning project wikipedia:Esperanza and some others.

To prevent this from happening and to prevent from abuse, I suggest to establish a rather strict code of conduct.

  1. No idle wistleblowing If a member lists an article in the wikipedia:Red Book of Articles, they cannot vote "keep" or detag the endangered article without an attempt to fix some problems with it.
  2. No idle vote ganging If a member sees an article in the wikipedia:Red Book of Articles, they can vote "keep" only after a decent attempt to fix it.
  3. Show the light. Af a member votes for an article after fixing it, describe in the vote which problems have been fixed and hence no longer applicable.
  4. Don't make too much fuss If a member totally revives an article, wait for a day or two to see whether the attitude at the AfD changes. If not, then cry for help, otherwise be happy.

I would also suggest the rename it to anything else away from ARS: I refuse to be in the arse, although I am a proud asshole. `'Míkka 19:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Nonsense. The whole purpose of this project is to curb the insanity of AfD by making sure that stuff that is actually notable is not deleted through incompetence. With that in mind, it is pretty silly to put bureaucratic impediments in the way of it. Moreover, AfD is not cleanup - if changes need to be made to an article to stop an absurd result, then so be it, but if a topic is notable, I am going to vote keep, process wonks be damned. Rebecca 01:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
OK then I am out of here. A bunch of vigilantes who think that other editors are engaged in insanity is not my crowd. Good luck. `'Míkka 03:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
P.S. So I see Rebecca was a member of ArbCom. With such crazy temper. I knew that wikipedia sucks, but never thought rotten up to the head. `'Míkka 04:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
To me it would seem unnecessary to even consider voting on anything if we improve the articles in question. it makes any vote moot if the problem is corrected. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 16:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree with extra codes of conduct as wp already has pretty clear rules that apply to all editors and they general work. I also am opposed to doing anything that makes improving articles more difficult and the rules proposed seem to add extra components to work that is largely thankless and, by it's nature, stressful. Benjiboi 20:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I think the code of conduct issue is to prevent us from being nothing more than a vote stacking group. Sure, in some ways, our article improvements will change a vote, but not because we merely voted... It'll be because we voted based on changing the content of an article, and we will have demonstrated that AfD is not a place to complain about content, but a place to complain about an inappropriate topic. Ronabop 07:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Please get this code of conduct off the page. WP has plenty of rules to address these issues and these are not only confusing but another layer keeping people from editing. If the intent is to spell out we don't vote stack then say that instead clearly and concisely and move on. I think I just violated one of the rules because i voted keep without actually saving the article, i do know though because the codes are convoluted - get rid of them please. 09:02, 3 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjiboi (talk • contribs)
Update. I've moved the Code of Conduct (for members) from the instructions to the members page. While I still feel they aren't worded well and if the purpose is to spell out no vote-stacking the whole thing needs to be redone the move alleviates the main concern that it confused the instruction process which should be clear and concise. Benjiboi 09:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

A wasp nest

I appear to have annoyed an admin, and the AFR Template has been modified a few times and is now up for deletion. I have also had an incident taken out against me. Any advise or assistance would be gratefully received. Fosnez 07:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move (old)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 12:58, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

So that we can sort out the current move request, please state your position (Support or Oppose) in the Survey Section. You are welcome to add a brief comment as to why your have chosen this position, but it is not required. This survey is only for the move to Wikipedia:Article rescue and does not prevent other move discussions from occurring in the future. Other proposed names include Article rescue team, Article Rescue Crew, Team Article Rescue and Captain Tlogmer and the Article Rescue Rangers ;-) Fosnez 11:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Survey

  • Oppose - Fosnez 11:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC) - "Article Rescue" is not a good name. Removes the Team aspect.
  • Support - Neil ム 11:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC) - removing the Team aspect is entirely why I suggested it. Neil ム 11:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose - Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 23:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC) - I'm aware that removing the team moniker brings the name more into line with the names of other wikipedia-writing pages (Articles for Deletion instead of Article Deletion Squad, or whatever) but I think that if anything, those other pages should add "team" (or its equivalent) to their names. Wikipedia's a little too big right now to function as a single cohesive community, but this'll help smaller community-like things coalesce within it. However, it doesn't strike me as that big a deal, either way. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 23:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Benjiboi 00:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC) - perhaps someday a group of this nature won't be needed but in my short time on wp I've seen so many articles face AfD and I think it hurts wp. Anything that encourages volunteers to step up and take action is good and the name of the group is too important to be watered down as simply Article Rescue. 00:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Comment for name suggestion - Can we add Article Rescue Group to the list of possibles? ARG is kind of cute. Benjiboi 00:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose but then, ARS isn't a great name for British and Aussie users either.  :) — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 01:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose it being just "Article rescue". - jc37 03:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Choices, choices... In preferential order: "Article rescue squad" (squad instead of squadron - gives more of a sense of emergency vehicles); "Article rescue team"; Not a fan of "squadron", and not a fan of "crew" or "group", and though I laughed when I read "Rescue Rangers", I think Chip 'n Dale might get jealous : ) - jc37 03:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

I think one of the things that tempts people into assuming the worst about this admirable project is the name. "Squadron" is a militaristic term. Is there any good reason not to move the project to Wikipedia:Article rescue? Neil ム 10:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

From my understanding of the spirit of the project, we are like the squadron of editors that swoop down from the sun and rescue articles from the clutches of rectifiable AfDs nominations. Fosnez 11:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. It is a military term, but that doesn't necessarily make the ARS militaristic. Firemen are organised along paramilitary lines, and the picture at the top should tip people that it is closer to the later than the former. Should it resemble something military, it'd be the cavalry in those old westerns. Because who are the good guys? Not the inclusionsts, not the deletionists, but the articles, defenseless and poor pioneers besieged by those two wild and ferocious tribes...--Victor falk 11:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
No, I get the humour in naming it as such, but it would come across as a more established and respectable process with a name that doesn't harken to cavalry, military, "good guys", or anything remotely confrontational. Compare and contrast Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit with, say, Wikipedia:Cleanup. One is a gang who have cool userboxes and a "badass" name, the other is an established and productive wide-scale Wikiproject. Would we rather this effort be a discreet gang of editors, or potentially a real part of Wikipedia? Neil ム 11:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I've filed a requested move. Neil ム 15:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
While I understand the concern over a para-military connotation to the title of the group, part of me wants to resist the move. The problem is that almost all of the labels for a definied group of people have military connotations (the remainder have organized crime connotations, e.g. "gang", "crew", "posse", etc.) unless we make a serious effort to reach & start calling ourselves something along the lines of "Article Rescue Guys". I like the idea of emphasizing the idea of a team, rather than the impersonal goal. -- llywrch 21:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Article rescue loses the collectivist aspect, but Article rescue team might be fine. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 02:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Part of me doesn't like changing our name in response to people who'll probably still distrust us anyway. Part of me points out that a name change may change the minds of those people whose minds are amenable to change. And part of me notes that "Article rescue team" has the acronym ART, which is perhaps preferable to ARS. On the whole I'm ambivalent, but the acronym could win me over. --Zeborah 07:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
To me the name change seems like a step to better integrate the project into wikipedia as a whole -- gaining more formal legitimacy. I'm all for it, really. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 18:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • I was going to suggest "Article rescue team", but I see it's been suggested above. That's two, anyone else? : ) - jc37 22:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Have a read of the above section, it explains the name a lot better than I did. Fosnez 06:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
    • I like "Article Rescue Crew" :) But I do also like "Team Article Rescue", and I doubt anyone else will. Neil ム 10:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Okay, now I have 3 suggestions

  1. - name move (see just above) - does anyone acutally oppose moving it?
  2. - Merge with Wikipedia:Intensive Care Unit. I think the two projects should be merged, as they have identical purposes. This one was started first (14 July vs 3 September), so my first suggestion was to merge into the older organization, this one.
  3. - I added a new section detailing when the Rescue template should be used - good idea? Bad idea?

Busy busy busy. Neil ム 15:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I think there are some differences (ie, ICU doesn't focus solely on AfD articles, and hopefully our approach will be more structured, if the triage template works out). But I agree, the redundancy issue should be addressed somehow. --Bfigura (talk) 16:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
(EC) I think the merge would be good, as there is definitely cross-over between this project and ICU. However, The ICU project is not for AfD candidates only, but for any generally poor article that has potential, and notability. This project is focused on articles that are already at the proposed deletion stage, or the AfD stage. So, if merged, a slight re-wording of this project would be in order, to broaden the scope to encompass any poorly written article. Ariel♥Gold 16:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, EC = ? --Bfigura (talk) 16:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
EC - edit conflict. Neil ム 16:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I'll go on record as opposing a name change, at least until the AfD has closed and a discussion as to the best replacement name takes place. I disagree with merge proposal as this too seems premature and a basic overview seems to support that these are different in scope. The ARS work on tight deadlines with only articles that are threatened with deletion and have been tagged for rescue. Its tight scope helps focus action and the timeframe further focuses what actions are possible. I'm not terribly enthusiastic about the new section, I think some articles will be tagged and get little response and other will get plenty of attention and it's based on multiple factors not the least of which is an editor's interest in what they want to edit. Regardless the number of AfD articles and therefore rescue tagged articles is relatively small so I don't see the need to micromanage that aspect. If someone tags an article that could never ever be saved then it (and the tag) will be gone within the week anyway. Benjiboi 16:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
To follow along with the above, I think I'd like to see the merger proposal wait until after the AfD and renaming proposal have both closed. (Just to keep things simple). --Bfigura (talk) 17:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
That's certainly reasonable. Neil ム 17:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  1. I agree that this should be moved to a more general non 'Wikiproject' name like 'Wikipedia:Article rescue', 'Wikipedia:Article retention', or 'Wikipedia:Articles for retention' (to parallel AfD)... though the WP:AFR and WP:AR shortcuts are both already taken. The primary reason for the name change is to make it more of a Wikipedia process rather than a 'project'... a standard procedure in counterpoint to AfD.
  2. As to merging projects... WP:ARS and WP:ICU are essentially 'time sensitive' versions of WP:CU. The main difference is that ICU tries to get people to tag things for 'emergency cleanup' before putting them up for AfD, while ARS kicks in only after the AfD is posted. Other than this minor difference in timing (with ICU possibly avoiding AfD altogether if the cleanup happens quickly) the two are essentially the same and could be merged while retaining all aspects of both.
  3. On the template, I'd suggest merging it into Template:AfDM as an optional parameter which causes the additional 'please cleanup' text and link to 'WP:ARS' (or whatever) to show up when set. That'd remove any 'redundancy' with the AfD template because this would then BE the AfD template. --CBD 00:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I still don't completely agree with the move request, but the integration into the AfD tag idea sounds like a good one Fosnez 02:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
CBD's suggestions are intriguing, and I'd be curious to see how applicable they are. Ichormosquito 05:33, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Why can't we just limit Wikipedia:Intensive Care Unit to articles that aren't at AfD? Ichormosquito 05:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I would make it a suggestion that ICU is for articles that aren't AfD but if you're looking for assistance on an article that is AfD they can also be refered to the rescue squad. Benjiboi 06:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
That's something that should probably be discussed on both pages (ie, ICU and ARS). However, off the top of my head, I don't have a huge objection to it, although I imagine it would lead to complicated logistics if an ICU article got AfD'd. --Bfigura (talk) 06:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, once it hits AfD it's a matter of days before one or both tags are removed so I say more help is ok. I'm missing what is problematic if both efforts land on an article at the same time. Benjiboi 06:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I see that the ICU has several templates, Template:Tl, Template:Tl and Template:Tl (under construction from what I understand); what if there was a {{icu-rescue}} template, in effect the same as Template:Tl? --Victor falk 06:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't think there are plans for such a template. (Especially given the TdF, plus the possibility that ICU might decide to refocuse on pre-AfD articles). Best, --Bfigura (talk) 12:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
In looking over both projects, This one seems more like a "task force" which has a time constraint, while ICU is more about general article cleanup. I suppose this could become a task force of that, but ICU should probably be merged with some of the other article cleanup projects. - jc37 22:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Archive talk page items

Someone please start the archive and clean off old threads. Thank you! Benjiboi 06:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Done Fosnez 12:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! Benjiboi 17:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Question

How many articles have you rescued? I see a lot of discussion on naming, templates, userboxes, procedures, et cetera...but I'm not seeing much discussion on helping the articles. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'm just curious as to how many articles were saved by this process. ^demon[omg plz] 01:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

  • I was wondering the same thing but realized it's hard to say because this tag was added this article was saved. Benjiboi 01:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Thats mainly because theres far to much discussion going on already. The Article Rescue Squadron doesn't talk about fixing articles, we fix them. Heres a couple of the ones I have been involved in:
  • Some people may complain that the above articles do not warrent a place in wikipedia. So I have linked the AfDs as well. From memory, most nominations were for Notability - and in accordance with policy, if notability is established via citations, then the article should be kept (after all we, are here to compile the sum of ALL human knowledge). I might also point out that the Rescue Squadron is only relatively new, and I only joined a month ago or so, and this small list of my contributions should not in any way reflect the value of the Article Rescue Squadron. Fosnez 02:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Two; in both cases the relevant AfD turned from a deletion chorus to consensus to keep based on the rewrite. I have yet to do work for the ARS, but I only just joined. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kizor (talk • contribs) 01:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
  • When I first came across Article Rescue Squadron, I added significant references to at least five of the listed article. I don't recall the names of the articles. However, if someone can point me to a list of all articles listed by the Article Rescue Squadron, I can zero in on my contributions. -- Jreferee t/c 04:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
the influence of the ARS goes beyond the articles listed here--it extends to the attitude that it is important to try to improve articles at afd, and that people will be encouraged to try to do so. That will be its true success. DGG (talk) 09:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


LA Times article

Two articles we worked on, Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) and Mzoli's Meats, were both prominently cited as examples of "Wiki-wars" in this recent LA Times article. If you haven't seen it already, it's worth a read. Ichormosquito 04:37, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I started that article! Benjiboi has done a LOT more work on it than I have though. Fosnez 13:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Last line: "Ultimately, Mzoli's was spared. But not until a gaggle of editors worked on expanding it from an afterthought to a more substantial portrait. Though it's still just a description of an African barbecue place, it's difficult to see how the world would be better off without it." Ichormosquito 16:25, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Louie Giglio

I added some references to Louie Giglio. Please add more info. Thanks. -- Jreferee t/c 05:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Radio malt

I added some info to Radio malt. If someone has the time, please add the info from Google books. -- Jreferee t/c 05:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

FreeLife

Not really a rescue (the article was mentioned at WP:COIN, but I added some references to FreeLife. If you have the time, please consider incorporating the information from the references into the article. -- Jreferee t/c 18:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Moving foward with the Rescue Template

Ok, the TfD is now over and one of the caveats of it is that we cannot use the Rescue template on article pages anymore, one suggestion by the closing admin was for a template on the AfD subpage (Quite a novel idea) Here is a quick example I did up, Feel free to have a play with it, it is in my userspace. - Fosnez 13:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

  • I so disagree with it not being used on the article page in conjunction with the AfD template. It's how i first got interested at all. If it is vectored of to the voting page it seems, to me, that it would be campaigning for keep votes rather than for editors to simply improve the article. Benjiboi 18:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I think it's a shame that we can't have it on the article page; I think it's useful not only to editors but also to inform people who've arrived from a "You won't believe what Wikipedia's going to delete now!" blog post that it's being worked on. Still, it's not something I feel strongly enough about to fight for, so working with what we've got: the template for the AfD is pretty; I think the important thing is to fiddle with the wording to make sure it's clear we're not canvassing for 'keep' votes. Perhaps, rather than "This article has been Flagged for Rescue", "This article may be rescuable"? (And we shouldn't need the "As an act of courtesy" sentence any more if it goes there.) --Zeborah 04:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Having only really thought about this after running into the TfD (and now being very interested), I have some thoughts. Firstly, that discussion to do with the template specifically ought to be on the template talk page - partly because of the idea of questioning whether ARS should "own" the template, and partly for transparency (so people can find the discussion about it where they'd expect it to be).
Secondly, and more importantly, I wouldn't give up hope for it ever going back to being on the article page, but ignoring the TfD result because participants in ARS disagree is not going to end up with good results. If the pattern of use over a while is good, and arguments can be made that the results would be better if the template was on the article itself, then I think that there's likely to be a reasonably easy consensus to put it there again. Personally, I think that the most useful place for it given the TfD result is on the article talk page. SamBC(talk) 14:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm confused here. Y'all (yeah, I'm from Mississippi, we say y'all instead of you all) are saying here that we can't use the template on article pages but what I'm reading from the TfD does not say that. It says:
A template that can be placed on an article may not be the way to go (one could for example list them at some "WikiProject:Rescue", or the template could be placed on the talk page or AFD page), but a page template is noticed by passers-by far more than an entry on a project page or AFD comment would be.
I don't read in that anywhere that says it can't be put on the article page, and in fact I believe that's exactly where it should be and it even says so by stating a page template is noticed by passers-by far more than an entry on a project page or AFD comment would be.. people come to an article page to read the info. They don't go straight to an article's talk page. So which is the obvious place to alert people that they should get involved in rescuing an article, the page they go directly to or a page they may never visit? Therefore, until there's something in stone that says the template is 100% not allowed on article pages, that's exactly where I will continue to put the template! -- ALLSTAR ECHO 16:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Read further down the closing statement. Most of it is a summary of the arguments on both sides, but it is rounded up with:

Template:Quote

Which is pretty categorical. SamBC(talk) 17:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

New version!

My experiments in breeding templates has resulted in this hybrid. Check it out in action here - Fosnez 11:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

If it is a good idea to have it on the AfD page (and I doubt that it is), then that's a very good hybrid. SamBC(talk) 14:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
The idea for having it on the AfD came from the closing of the TfD - Fosnez 05:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Not to rain on your cake but it really does nothing for me. Perhaps there's some merit to separating the template and the project so we can get the template onto the article page without further delay. To me the template is simply impotent when vectored off the main page and incorporating it into the already ignored AfD template seems like a waste of energy. I do appreciate what you're trying to do I just want to be up front about what I'm thinking as others may feel the same way but might not bother to state it. Benjiboi 06:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
It did come from the closing off the AfD, and I did summarise that closing for the template talk page... but it wasn't a mandate from the closing, and I disagree that it's a good idea, for reasons that I think I've outlined somewhere. The main thing is that the template will get less useful the further it gets from the article. However, a supplementary template for AfD wouldn't be a bad thing, just so long as it's not the only tag. SamBC(talk) 11:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


Just to let you all know that I have been working on the templates. Make sure you double check the two top templates here - Fosnez 02:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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Flagging

At present, nine articles are listed in the ATHBPFDBTMCET category. Hakomi and Starlight Information Visualization System are savable and I added some references. Jeff M. Giordano and Ron Kurtz are not savable. Hazy, nebulous topics such as Godzilla in popular culture, List of cultural references to Stephen King, Pregnancy in science fiction, Silent protagonist, and Society and Star Trek should not be part of this project. With only two out of nine article worth saving or consistent with this project, I think we need better efforts on determining what gets listed in the ATHBPFDBTMCET category and what does not. -- Jreferee t/c 08:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

What do you propose? To me it seems like the population of AfD articles is limited and as the tag expires within a week it's not that big-o-deal that an article could be tagged in error. In fact, I think it shows how neutral the project is, only articles that editors deem worth of working on get attention. If something is not savable then it will indeed be gone within a week, if it is savable and it gets worked on then it will survive until possibly renominated. Benjiboi 17:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm more in agreement with Benjboi here. In fact, from the titles alone I see no articles that probably couldn't be resecued if someone is willing to rescue them. (Having read Silent protagonist, that one at least is uncomfortably close to an exercise in original research.) Sometimes valid ideas for Wikipedia are presented in invalid ways; & just because someone puts them into a category for consideration shouldn't keep an Admin from closing the debate in favor of delete if there are no other valid reasons to keep the article. -- llywrch 19:02, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Probably even S.P. one could be done properly, if someone decided to do it from sources. As for Jeepday;s examples, i suggest it is particularly the ones he thins are nebulous which need our attention--the most salient objection to such articles is generally that the individual items are unsourced,and therefore not shown to be notable even enough for article content. That's the sort of thing we can find. DGG (talk) 01:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

rescue bots

Does it make sense for a bot to be created that would either alert us or simply removed the rescue tag from articles that aren't under AfD? I've removed another tag from an article but for housekeeping purposes it might make sense to have a bot do this automatically so that a tag isn't left for more than a day after AfD has closed or otherwise been removed. Benjiboi 17:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

My opinion about bots is that they've help create the situation that led to creating an Article Rescue Squadron. Until the number of articles tagged for attention by ARS gets to the point where one person can't flush out any expired tags in an hour's time, let's avoid using one. (Then again, if we find 100 or more articles tagged for deletion that should be saved, there is a bigger problem with the AfD process that bots won't fix.) -- llywrch 18:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Cuddly Duddly

The AfD for Cuddly Duddly is about ready to be closed, so I added the rescue template to the article and now am requesting permission to use the template. I did add references to the article and if you look at my comments in the AfD, you will see that this is a topic that can be resuced due to a mistake in the spelling of the article name making it more difficult to find references. Please add referenced material to the Cuddly Duddly article. Thanks. -- Jreferee t/c 16:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I added some content and refs but it needs more like some context of children's TV in the 1960's? Benjiboi 19:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Update. Article saved. Benjiboi 03:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Hakomi and Ron Kurtz

I had placed the rescue template on the Hakomi article as well as the Ron Kurtz article. Someone removed it from the former citing it belonged on the talk page, however, this editor did not bother to move it. I have now put it up on the talk page. Whether the same thing happened to the Kurtz article I couldn't tell since it has now been deleted. A significant effort has been invested (by an ARS member, I believe) to provide the Hakomi article with needed references, and hopefully it will not be deleted. This is still uncertain, though, as the majority in the deletion discussion has yet to sway. I would imagine that it is feasible to have the Ron Kurtz article undeleted if effort is put to it, should the Hakomi article itself survive. __meco

Note, both have been rescued. Benjiboi 03:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Not so. __meco 08:09, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Huh!? What happened? Benjiboi 09:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Update Hakomi saved, Ron Kurtz not. Benjiboi 03:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Nomination for Rescue (Re: U.B. Funkeys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.B._Funkeys --JRTyner 02:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Rescue tag has been added for this article about a toy, it seems reasonably well written and needs references besides the new York Times article. Benjiboi 03:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Update. U.B. Funkeys saved. Benjiboi 03:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm Not Sorry.net

More of the sources presented at AfD could be integrated. WP:STYLE issues. Handily passes WP:WEB. Ichormosquito 07:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I've added some abortion tags and See also, AfD seems all keeps at the moment, please flare for help if things turn and the article needs TLC ASAP. Benjiboi 20:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Good job. It's starting to look healthy. Ichormosquito 21:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Update. I'm Not Sorry.net saved. Benjiboi 03:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

2 articles tagged

Gay and lesbian retirement and Shane E. Burkett -- ALLSTAR ECHO 01:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Update. Gay and lesbian retirement deletion is up for review. Could anyone who is experinced with AfD and deletion review process please take a look. I think the article was wrongly deleeted but I may be missing something. Benjiboi 19:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Update. Gay and lesbian retirement Deleted but overturned (likely to be renamed), Shane E. Burkett improved but failed notability. Benjiboi 03:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Librarians in popular culture

This wasn't much more than an annotated list but it is a notable topic. I've done some searching for sources and added some more encyclopaedic information to the page; I've also listed some additional sources on the talk page. However I'm quite busy in 'real life' at the moment and not able to do much more for a while so it'd be great if someone else could have a look at the page. I think it needs introductions to the sections I haven't looked at and some of the lists need pruning. Thanks! --Zeborah 08:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

  • "X in popular culture" lists are often deleted, especially list-style ones. Just trimming this article won't rescue it, it needs a total rewrite and a removal of most of the specific examples. In popular culture articles should discuss the impact on pop culture at large, not just play "I spy". --Phirazo 17:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
That's fine - if someone wanted to delete all the examples I'd have no objections (though I think very select examples to illustrate a point would still be fine, right?) I don't agree that it's about the impact on pop culture - as long as it's some kind of notable phenomenon in itself, which this is - but do agree that it shouldn't be "I Spy". I'm not fond of pop culture articles in general but this is a notable subject so any help you could give to improve the article would be really helpful. --Zeborah 21:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Even "In popular culture" articles I consider to be good (Nuclear weapons in popular culture, for example) have illustrative examples of a concept's use in pop culture. Specific examples are good, but laundry lists get deleted more often than not. Librarians as a stock character or a trope is probably notable, but I'm not sure who studies or writes about this sort of thing. --Phirazo 01:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, other than the TV Tropes wiki [5]. --Phirazo 01:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
The people who study and write about this are librarians, mostly. :-) There are plenty of sources - I've used several already, listed several more on the talk page there and can probably find more. If you or someone else has access to those journals and could write something based on those articles, that'd be wonderful; but it'd be equally useful if someone were to go in and delete the 'laundry lists'. --Zeborah 04:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, and we all know how crufty librarians are... Not too good at taking care of their laundry. Speaking of which, here's a very sick one that got nominated for deletion: List of fictional diseases (how it looked then [6]). I took it to my sandbox and cleaned it up. What I'm thinking of, is that they have a similar theme (no I don't mean librarians are diseases), and that maybe we should try to give them a similar format. Any thoughts?--victor falk 08:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Ghosttown

Ghosttown was saved, but now we are voting on if a reference should stay or go at Talk:Ghosttown, Oakland, California. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 16:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Also part of the deletion of Ghosttown is the man who's reference is used for the article: Dan Antonioli. Please help save this one too.

Case to consider

Please see Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_policy#A_Faraway_Ancient_Country. IMO this is a job for the squadron. Mukadderat 22:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Although the style in which it was deleted might have been harsh (I'm no expert on deleting things) it does seem hard to defend an entry for the book at this time as Google doesn't even pop much sources. Perhaps after some mainstream media coverage post some reviews of the book? Benjiboi 23:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought it will be clear fom the discussion: the issue is not this particular article: the issue is that the admin does not follow (or soes not know) policied about speedy deletion. If everyone starts deleting on a whim the squadron will be without the work :-). I suggest to discuss the issue. However if ARS is not a discussion club, but rather an action force, I can understand that. Mukadderat 04:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Tagged

Student Youth Network ---- ALLSTAR ECHO 03:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I've added a handful of grants w/refs. Benjiboi 07:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Update, article saved. Benjiboi 20:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Nody Parker

Tagged by User:Bearian. IMHO not really a candidate for rescue, the article seems to fail WP:BIO. --Phirazo 16:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Proportional approval voting

Tagged for rescue by User:Bearian. --Phirazo 17:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Ivo Heuberger

Tagged for rescue by User:Bearian. This biography does seem to pass WP:BIO (a competitor who has "played or competed at the highest level in amateur sports.") --Phirazo 17:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Update. saved. Benjiboi 07:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk page clean-up

Could someone clean off old threads to archives as appropriate? I'll do it if no one else wants to. Benjiboi 20:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Done. I also cleaned up the top headers with a table. Complicated, but it works.--Phirazo 03:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you, I updated a few others and moved them as well. Benjiboi 03:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Wooster School

Update, Wooster School survived AfD. Benjiboi 04:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Christian vela

Philippa Hanna

Shinnok's amulet

Assassinations in fiction

--Phirazo 18:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

update. Keep - nomination withdrawn. Benjiboi 07:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Rename

Now that the previous rename discussion (to drop "squadron") has been closed, I think I'd like to propose renaming to Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squad. There were several interesting suggestions in the discussion to replace "squadron". I think "squad" might be the best compromise. I haven't listed this on WP:RM, as I'd like to find out opinions here first. - jc37 14:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squid has a slightly more jocular attitude towards it, along with the idea of a many tentacled creature that at times looks unruly and ungainly, but when prompted into action, produces both a cloud of ink (article improvement), as well as high-speed motion (rapid improvement). Ronabop 05:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
You've been touched by His Noodly Appendage, haven't you? --Victor falk 10:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Ramen Fosnez 11:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Template:Agree - I like Squad better than Squadron. Away with you, foppish ron! Neil ム 17:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I do think that squadron sounds wrong somehow... slightly more milataristic than I like. Squad is better. Squid is actually cool for a number of reasons, but might seem a little too... trivialistic. Shame, really. SamBC(talk) 20:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
We still don't have a mascot... --Kizor 21:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
A squid for the squad? : ) - jc37 07:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Think about it. --Kizor 14:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Can't say I have a problem with the current name. Ichormosquito 12:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I also like the current name. Perhaps the militaristic tinge will encourage us to be slightly more organized, systematic and effective as members of a team rather than is typically the case at Wikipedia at we attempt article improvement. Also, Squadron implies sexy aircraft and airlift into the work zone while easily home for supper, shower and cozy bed in between work sessions. Squad has an unfortunate implication of isolated occupation teams stranded in the middle never ending hostilities of unknown parties with irreconcilable differences shooting at every useful citation or insight added to the ailing article with no end or evacuation in sight. Aim High! Lazyquasar 05:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Requested move to Article Rescue Team

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move, per the discussion below. I don't feel comfortable closing a request I participated in, but this is overdue and the proposal wasn't supported by any of the commenters. Dekimasuよ! 11:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron → Wikipedia:Article Rescue Team — Military terminology might be exciting, but it's probably a bad idea in the broader picture —Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 20:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Support. This doesn't seem very important to me, but it's clear that the current name bothers some people, and in contrast to the previous request, the proposed title here doesn't really change the meaning. Dekimasuよ! 04:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC) Striking support. It now seems better to me to leave the naming of this page in the hands of the people who actually participate here. Dekimasuよ! 03:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Team is military terminology. Making this a Project, or even a WikiProject, would make sense. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • No Opinion - what we do is more important than what we are called... see suggestions below Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 07:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose, unless this becomes a Wikiproject. "Article Rescue Team" sounds flat. Ichormosquito 20:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Support move to Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion First Responders. Ewlyahoocom 20:43, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose what happened to 'Squad', as proposed at the beginning of the month and which seemed to have some consensus? Where did 'Team' come from? If we have to change, I'd rather use 'Squad' or 'Project'--Thespian 22:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - And (as I proposed it), I agree with Article Rescue Squad. "Squad" also gave the semantics of "squad car", and "rescue squad", which "I think" is the point of the picture on the main page : ) - jc37 04:19, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose I still haven't seen an outcome of the change from Squadron to Squad and now we're talking about Team?? No thanks. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 05:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

This blog post has convinced me that military terminology might be bad. Does anyone have a problem with moving to "Article Rescue Team"? Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 20:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The blog you link to is a sad travesty completely misunderstanding the nature of an effective military. Any military that operates as it describes would frag itself long before it came within satellite vision or google mapping of any external enemy. Might be a better description of a corporate rat race environment but I am not sure, having left the corporate rat race after only a few years. For the anti military POV among us, consider the potential shock and awe of a squadron of forty or fifty people moving in on an article proposed for deletion who work cordially together and promptly split into effective volunteer teams. These volunteers have indicated that they are doing online research while those are hitting local libraries and these others are discussing formatting while that guy is taking notes from an online wikibook (while correcting typos and inserting questions raised elsewhere on applicable discussion pages) and another has asked for assistance from a Wikiversity reading club. She is looking for applicable online technical papers so I think I will review some of her sources and rate them as she has requested. Might be a good idea as policy to avoid voting on the articles for deletion pages. If necessary the material could be transwikied to a Wikiversity research project and then when a adequate grade article summarizing the results is available it can be transwikied (with appropriate credit given to the Wikiversity research team) back to Wikipedia. After all Wikiversity is not Wikipedia and has limited interest in hosting Encyclopedia articles. It is more interested in the educational processes, tools, etc. necessary to create them. Lazyquasar 06:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I certainly agree in principle. Not sure about the specific suggestion, though. Don't have a better one right now either, mind. SamBC(talk) 21:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Maybe: Article Rescue Project DGG (talk) 04:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Article Rescue Project is the best suggestion I have seen. --Orlady 04:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
ARG Article Rescue Group or...
TGTFA Them Goofs That Fix Articles ... it makes no difference. We do, what we do ... let them imagine us in camo if they need to, does their opinion matter (whoever they are)? Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 07:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Article Rescue Project (or Article Rescue Wikiproject) would be a good name, IMHO. I'm not sure if this group is considered a Wikiproject, though. --Phirazo 17:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I feel that we should consider being a wikiproject, cute names be damned (although I love ARG!) let's focus on improving articles and I think, help improve the AfD process to set up more checks and balances so that articles that are on notable, etc subjects aren't sent to AfD which, to me, drains the wp community of resources spent better elsewhere. I would support Article Rescue Wikiproject and this might solve the issue of separatng us from the template if that would be the project template. Benjiboi 20:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
If it's the project template, that makes it even more firm that it be on the talk page, not the article page. SamBC(talk) 20:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
There's a difference between "this article is a part of blah-de-blah wikiproject" and a wikiproject relying on a set of maintenance templates. To me the rescue template is something (just like now) anyone uses on an AfD article; . If we formalize as a project we might also strongly advocate for other tags for notability, references, etc which are also mainpage tags that assist in articles needs being highlighted in hopes that other editors or experts can address them. Benjiboi 20:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Merriam-Webster defines

  • squad "2: a small group engaged in a common effort or occupation"
  • squadron as "2: a large group of people or things";
  • team as "4: a number of persons associated together in work or activity". Ewlyahoocom 20:43, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
There seem to be several possibilities - squad, team, project, various other rephrasings - so I wonder if this sort of binary "Should we move to X or not" is maybe not the best approach. It seems to be getting us bogged down in "But what about this idea?" Would it make more sense to do it in two phases: 1) list all the alternatives and tally the votes for them, then 2) for whichever gets the most votes, ask whether or not we want to move to that? (Or alternatively 1) do we want to move to something else, then 2) what should we move to?) --Zeborah 05:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Aw, let's just call the project Article Rescue Spaz Attack. And if there is anyone left who thinks that's still too paramilitary, we'll put a call in to the Wikipedia:Special Forces Attack & Destroy Commandos with lots of Testosterone to reason with them. ;-) -- llywrch 01:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Saabs in popular culture

Right-wing politics

--Phirazo 18:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way, am I correct to still be placing the tags on the talk pages, or have we decided to go back to placing them on the main page? Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I honestly believe that's where the tag belongs and so that's where i put it, if another editor places or moves to talk page then so be it until this project's name, status and implications for the tag are resolved. Benjiboi 18:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the reply! :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 19:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be a consensus for where the tag goes for the time being. --Phirazo 22:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, then I'll continue to go with the talk page as I did for Soviet war in Afghanistan in popular culture. Regards, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 05:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I put it on the article page because that's first landing for most people and most people don't do talk pages. If it's on the talk page, how do those "most people" know to "rescue" the article? Also, did I miss the consensus that rescue can only be put on AFD articles? I dont have a problem with that since there is Wikipedia:Intensive Care Unit but I wasn't sure about a consensus on the issue. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 05:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I did find a bunch of reliable sources for the Afghanistan article, which I recently added and I made a couple improvements to the Saab article, so hopefully these efforts will help rescue these article. Also, we successfully rescued an article!  :) So, I removed the rescue tag from that article's talk page. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 06:19, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I thought the idea was that articles not up for deletion can just have the regular array of clean-up tags (which Right-wing politics has now), and articles that may get deleted get a Template:Tl tag for more immediate clean-up. Right-wing politics isn't going to get deleted, no matter how bad it is, so there is no rush to improve it. WP:CLEANUP says there are 27,295 articles with clean-up tags, and I think Template:Tl is only useful if it is on articles that are going through AfD. On an unrelated note, congrats for saving Assassinations in fiction, and bucking the recent "X in popular culture articles have to go" trend. --Phirazo 17:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 19:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Lake Ontario Waterkeeper

I think this one has been rescued already, but could people stick their heads in and double-check? Thanks.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 19:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

In particular, more RSs would be a good thing.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 19:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I've added the rescue tag and done some other work; Afd is now leaning toward keep; numerous refs in Afd discussion; if someone has the energy simply sourcing then to the talk page would be helpful. Benjiboi 21:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Update. Rescued. Benjiboi 19:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people with multiple marriages

Anyone have an opinion either way on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people with multiple marriages? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 00:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I was going to say delete, but quite liked it once I got there. As I said in my !vote on the AfD, I think the cutoff should be raised to 6+ marriages, and I suspect more citations showing that the people are notable because of their multiple marriages would probably help too. I should have some time for that this weekend. --Zeborah 11:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
See my comment at afd: [7]--victor falk 12:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment on user:Fosnez's post-TFD question

Template:Resolved Hi, Fosnez,

I thought I'd reply on template issues here. I have two comments.

In a way, what I wouldn't mind is some discussion on Talk:AFD about an update to the template, that would take a flag "improve=1", which would add the text to the AFD notice "An editor believes this topic is valid but poorly described. If you are able to improve it please do so." I don't know if WT:AFD would buy it, but it could make enough sense to maybe discuss and seek views upon.

As for the actual template you're working on, can I suggest a rough draft something like this:

The Article Squad

Attention! This topic might be poorly written rather than unencyclopedic.

Deletion policy aims for improvement, for genuinely notable and encyclopedic topics. If you think this article could be improved to pass AFD, please consider researching the topic, and adding high quality verifiable content and citations so it gets the best chance.

I'm not saying this is "the best way to say it", and it might even be exactly what you don't wan..., but it might give ideas. It's the best I can think of on the spot. FT2 (Talk | email) 13:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

FT2 must have been using mind control on me, because I had the same thought while reading about the template being deleted. However, my take on it is a little different: there would be two values, one to flag the article for attention from the ARS, & the other for the username of an editor who will make it an immediate priority to rescue. Hopefully if an editor adopts an article to rescue, no Admin will prematurely close the AfD citing WP:SNOW; on the other hand, if an editor abuses these flags, & either tags articles that the editor never works on or tags articles that clearly are not salvagable, then the editor could be penalized for creating a disruption.
In any case, the idea is to alert interested editors that an article of potential notability needs to be rescued. How this is done -- a separate template, changes to the AfD template, or someone simply compiling a list by hand or bot -- isn't important. While people will object to this because "this can be abused", what needs to be pointed out is that every process, policy & tool in Wikipedia can be abused; we're just trying to offer a means that is not as acrimonious as many DRV debates have been. -- llywrch 19:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
One way round that might be {{Rescue | [Names of certifying editors] }}

The Article Squad

Attention! This topic might be poorly written rather than unencyclopedic.

Deletion policy aims for improvement, for genuinely notable and encyclopedic topics, but deletion is usually appropriate so long as articles lack viable content of reasonable quality. If you think this substandard article could be improved to pass AFD, please consider researching the topic, and adding high quality verifiable content and citations so it gets the best chance.

Certified by: sample user #1, sample user #2.

The point being that anyone who agreed, can add their name to the template. You can then gauge seriousness by looking at the names list. If it's certified by people whose input you don't take seriously, for example debate trolls,... or just by the creator and his sidekick... or people from the Squad who always use the tag responsibly... or by 3 respected AFD 'well known editors' whose opinions you usually respect... etc. This would cause the "abuse" problem to be self fixing, because each editor can quickly assess the credibility as they see it of the tag. FT2 (Talk | email) 11:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Well that smells like vote stacking. Benjiboi 13:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Hmm.. Shouldn't be. I'm thinking about it as an experienced AFD closer, I think it'd probably be okay. It's not hyping up the issue, and its noting both sides of policy. I think it's probably safe. Deletion policy is pretty clear about the difference between "encyclopedic but bad article - improve it" and "unencyclopedic - delete it". As someone who's just closed the TFD with requirements for compliance and an eye to usage, it seems fair to give some pointers and input on those issues. What'd help is if you could explain more, the stacking concern you'd have? FT2 (Talk | email) 13:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, Deletion policy and AfD realities are two different things. Before an article is even considered for AfD it's to be improved with regular editing and if it can be improved then it's not a good candidate for AfD. Ignoring that policy has kept this group pretty busy as many of the articles we've looked at were certainly improved. Regardless, even if the spirit of certified editors was completely neutral I bet that plenty of folks would not see it that way. I also want to roll back all the complexity of all this - part of the beauty was the simplicity of a simply article tag that was added when needed then removed when it wasn't. I'm generally opposed to layers of process all of which serves to keep us from editing. If it's not simple to understand and execute then I don't think it will work. Every step of our eventual processes need to be simple and clean whether we have 50 or 5000 folks helping. Benjiboi 14:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
That's a matter for the folks on this page; my input is to help them, if they so decide, to decide with some outside input. But as for AFD reality, I like to practice what policy recommends. My own experience of this is that indeed, if I come across an AFD which is perhaps encyclopedic but poor standard, I will specifically improve it during AFD. Homosexual recruitment was one such, so (it turned out) was the borderline-notable medical researcher I myself nominated for deletion, Kevin Eggan. There iwll regularly be some articles that can be fixed rather than deleted, and should be. Whether this is a project that will help I don't know, but it's certainly a sensible agenda (unlike some). I don't know that despairing of people's willingness to help in practice, is a good basis for declining to make them aware they could help..... FT2 (Talk | email) 16:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I'd love to have something like the second version, maybe simplified--let me think about a version. I wish there were some way for a person to say, I've looked at this, and I like it. I like it signed--assuming it goes on the article talk page, of course--Obviously those who disagree with my standards will want to ignore my approval & it should be plain flat-out from the first that its a personal view. Consider something the reverse of Template:Tl for format. What i do now is simply make an edit and leave a summary saying something like "some spam removed since the topic is notable, more to go." or "Reference added to demonstrate notability--additional ones would help"DGG (talk) 10:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Robert Allen Mukes

Template:Resolved As of 10:21 AM on Sunday, 11 November 2007, the article still has the rescue tag, even though the article successfully passed its AfD as "keep". As I have been away for a few days, I wasn't sure if we're leaving the tags up even post AfD. If we aren't, then we should probably remove the rescue tag. In any event congratulations on a job well done with that article! :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 15:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Update. Article kept, tag removed. Benjiboi 06:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

OS-tan

Template:Resolved Well established article (created in 2004, and cited by the media) up for deletion due to lack of sources. I'll see what I can dig up, but help would be appreciated. There have to be at least a few "Japan is weird" sources we can use for this. --Phirazo 03:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Rescued.--Sasawatcan talk and Edit 15:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

List of fictional devices in Futurama

Template:Resolved I placed a tag on this article, which another editor keeps removing. I believe the tag was placed in good faith, but I offer it up to other members of our project to consider whether the removal of the tag is justified. Please see this history. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 20:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

In my view, Le Grand is abusing this project. He places the tag on just about every article in AFD that he comments in. Deletion debates aren't votes, but he is trying to vote stack them by using the rescue tag.RobJ1981 (talk) 23:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
He is not the only one defending the article in question, so I do not see how this can be either idiosyncratic or unreasonable, let alone abusive. (And I do not see him commenting on all that many articles, so I cannot see how it is abusive in general.) It is always acceptable to improve an article during an AfD. Are you attempting to discourage it? If you disagree on the merits of the article, the AfD is the place to discuss it--I should mention I have no opinion on that, having no knowledge or interest in the subject. DGG (talk) 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree, this organization would be greatly served by directing itself toward saving articles in the proper way, building them up with reliable sources according to Wikipedia guidelines, not attempting to filibuster AFD's with rafts of uninformed keep votes with reasons in no way related to either the nominator concerns or wikipedia policy. Please cease exploiting this noble venture to save random articles and save ones with real potential to become good articles if given half a chance. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Good Hair Day

Template:Resolved This article was created by a well meaning but rather misguided new editor. Could the squadron help out? The more I read about these hair irons the more I feel like there ought to be good sources out there but the only ones I can find are either trivial or unreliable like user contributed reviews. Basically this user and the article needs attention from someone who knows where to look for reviews in trade magazines etc. where non-trivial coverage by reliable sources is more likely to be found. EconomicsGuy (talk) 19:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Update. Article has been sourced to the roots. Benjiboi 05:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Vampire (Buffyverse)

Template:Resolved The Buffyverse is the subject of academic studies. Though I'm not personally familiar enough with the subject (I've never even watched an episode), I'm pretty sure that these studies must contain extensive discussion on vampires. Surely someone more familiar with the subject can rescue this article? DHowell 03:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Update. The vampire is saved! Benjiboi 05:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Fingerskate

Template:Resolved Remember fingerboards, the miniature skateboards you controlled with your fingers? Well, the article about them is up for deletion, which should be a perfectly notable topic (Google Scholar hits include a patent for fingerboards), but I need your help.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 20:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

article has been around for a while, seems worthy enough please add references. Benjiboi 02:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Saved. Benjiboi 03:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured article review/British House of Commons

Template:Stale A bit off-topic for this project, but the skills are the same. This article was written by User:Lord Emsworth some years ago, and promoted, deservedly, to FA. But this was before the days of in-line citation, and the references (which Emsworth appears to have used in his usual scholarly fashion) are listed at the foot. Would you be interested in rescuing this FA status? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

A bit of a late response but you might do better to enlist the League of Copy Editors; although the skill sets are similar the motivations and therefore style is much different and they are experienced at such challenges. Benjiboi 05:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

AGF is backwards with AfDs; and vote stacking should be irrelevant

Template:Resolved I've been paying more attention lately to the AfD process, after I discovered what to me is an obvious sock puppet who has done nothing but propose AfDs or (delete content)(redirect) since registration, targeting articles in a particular field, removing information, often sucessfully, that might be used as arguments against his apparent POV. (From the original edits, the target of his ire was blatant.)

What I saw, reviewing the successful deletions, was that, apparently, nobody interested in the topic of the article had noticed the AfD. In the field involved, many articles have been created by experts, and, indeed, their work frequently does not initially meet Wikipedia sourcing standards. A standard and legitimate response is to place a citation needed or other tag on the article, not to propose deletion. This particular serial drive-by nominator would allege content problems, sometimes claiming that finding reliable source would be impossible. Most nominator claims were false; for example, the AFD on one particular organization's article claimed that its web site was the work of one single person, and solely original research, when any examination of that site would have found contrary information. (That organization was probably of marginal notability at the time. Now, more than a year later, it is clearly notable, in my opinion, and I've seen excerpts from a forthcoming book about it, published by a major publisher.) Anyone who knew the topic would have recognized the misrepresentations. Yet, apparently, many vote on AfDs with "Delete" without actually doing any research. They seem to assume good faith on the part of the nominator. That's an error.

Basically, the common-law principle underlying AGF is that testimony is presumed true unless controverted. With an AfD, we have *inherently* contradictory testimony, frequently. We should assume good faith on the part of the article creator and all those who worked on it as well, so the claims of a nominator should *never* be taken as accurate unless verified.

In a number of AfDs, there was the AfD and a "delete" vote within minutes, not nearly enough time to do any significant research. At a recent RfA, I voted against an administrator candidate because he had been such a delete voter; in the end, his was the only delete vote, because this particular AfD got noticed by people who understood the field. When he noted that this was not one of his finer moments, and said he'd be more careful in the future, I changed my vote to support....

The claim of vote stacking is particularly interesting. Wikipedia process generally suffers from what I call participation bias. That is, a particular controversy may attract partisans; plus participation in many AfDs is very small. The latter may actually be quite proper, if those who voted actually did some research trying to find evidence for notability. However, the number of votes is supposed to be irrelevant; rather, the standard is properly the cogency of the arguments presented. Frankly, twere it up to me, I'd remove votes from AfD pages that are, for example, "Delete per nom." Likewise Keep or Delete votes with no facts. Voters should be *responsible* for their votes; a "per nom" vote should be a declaration that the voter has verified every fact alleged by the nominator. What should be actual practice with AfDs would b to separate "votes" from arguments. There is still room for raw votes, but, properly, the discussion of notability should follow standard NPOV practice, though with greatly reduced verifiability standards. For example, someone might argue based on personal knowledge. That's testimony, and it would be admissible in a court of law, so it should likewise be in AfDs; however, the source of claims in an AfD should be stated. "I knew him personally, and X was true, I witnessed it."

In one ironic example, the AfD for Blood electrification[8], there was a delete argument: "Proven quackery" or something like that. Now, if Blood electrification was "proven quackery," -- which it might be, it is certainly quack medicine in my opinion -- surely the proof could be referenced in the article, thus confirming at the same time notability and removing possible POV bias by not having that material included. However, clearly, there is an organization of editors dedicated to removing "quackery" from Wikipedia, even where the quackery is notable. In the case of Blood electrification, I found an FTC complaint (followed by a consent decree) against a provider of equipment used for this process, that specifically mentioned "blood electrification." Reliable source, notable quackery. These editors, or some of them, are not concerned with improving articles, they are concerned with, effectively, censorship, protecting the public from error and misleading claims. And editing articles to balance out POV claims in them, and to remove unsourced claims if they cannot be verified, that's too much work. Much, much faster to run an AfD. Almost all delete voters in the Blood electrification AfD, who presented arguments, claimed that the article was POV. I went over the article, removing nonsense, but most of it was already balanced, not POV, though sometimes inadequately sourced. And I argued that if anyone thought the article was seriously POV, and beyond easy rescue, they could stub it to a definition and give the article some time. Frankly, I don't understand why that AfD was closed as Delete. I see no explanation except for the number of votes.

Again, some ironies: there was a canvassing warning posted in this AfD. Yet no evidence of actual vote-stacking in the keep direction. The nominator did not give any arguments at all. My own review of the evidence presented was that (1) most delete arguments were based on alleged content problems, (2) some were based on an opinion that reliable source would be impossible to find, and (3) few were based on non-notability. Given that, with about an hour's research, I did find some level of RS, and reported that back to the AfD, I'd have expected the admin closing to pay attention to this evidence. However, there was no explanation with the closing, just "The result was delete." I can say what this looks like to me: Neil counted the votes and/or followed his own opinion. What policy or guideline was followed? Mystery to me. I've seen quite a few AfDs like this. When an AfD is clear and there is little or no dissent, and policy application is obvious, fine. But that was not the case here. I did not, in fact, see a cogent argument for deletion. --Abd (talk) 02:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Really thoughtful essay! I added a link to it on my userpage as number 12: [9]. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 05:30, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
passing by, I think the specific source in the blood electrification example given is not a good one--the "FTC complaint (followed by a consent decree)" takes place in every complaint FTC carries through to a conclusion, whether or not important. a routine law enforcement action does not make something notable. It's like deriving notability from a police blotter. This is not a comment of the debate over that article in general, just the RS example chosen. Disclosure: i !voted Delete, and will again until there is a real source. At this pt, the major source of notability for it has been the articles inserted on its behalf in WP. Not that I am happy with the way we do AfDs. The simplest thing that could help them attainable at present is wider participation, to eliminate the cabal effect one way or another. DGG (talk) 09:18, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, DGG. The FTC complaint contains reports of the advertising content used by the defendant. While it's not conclusive as a fact, it is reliable enough to use with attribution, and what is in the consent decree is even more useful, though far less extensive (I did not look at it again to write this). My belief is that an NPOV, verifiable article can be written on the topic, but it's work. I excluded Wikipedia from my searches, as is proper. I also worked on the article, removing inappropriate material and some POV bias, but to do a good job of that would have required much more research than the hour or two I spent, total. The point is that there is such a thing as "blood electrification," there is some theoretical basis in experiment for it -- used way beyond reason, as is common with quackery -- and there are products being sold to do it. It deserves a stub, at least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abd (talk • contribs) 05:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
but everything is advertised, and not everything is notable. That's how the FTC came to hear about it. The content would be usable, if the subject were notable. DGG (talk) 20:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Rescue

Template:Resolved Template:Rescue has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Benjiboi 21:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Keep without restrictions. Benjiboi 03:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Why are you hurting Wikipedia? Stop hurting Wikipedia.

Template:Resolved You are bad for Wikipedia. Focusing on article rescuing at the expense of article deletion is Burkean Conservatism and based on the fallacious Precautionary principle. If there was a Wikipedia:Article Deletion Armada (an article I think we can safely say you'd support deleting), this wouldn't be a problem because the two philosophies would counterbalance one another. There isn't, however. You're an Inclusionist front organization and you know it. With your support for obscure internet memes, if you folks had your way, Encyclopedia Dramatica would not have been deleted and placed on the spam filter. Saving the blatant advertisement for Bawls is not something to be proud of, although the company that sells it likely appreciates your support. Zenwhat (talk) 09:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I hate children and rainbows.
Oh, wait, I don't.
I do like the idea of the Article Deletion Armada, which already exists in the form of people wanting to tell me what is, and isn't important. Some of them are well meaning, others, not so much, after their article deletions go from AGF to BJAODN.
Seeing as how the bar for including something in WP is so low, what the ARS(E) end is all about is fixing things that belong, for some reason, in WP, not some wild-eyed "we must include an article for each belly-button lint color I had on each day!"
hm. On a side note, maybe rainbows should be hated. Ronabop (talk) 09:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


A couple of points Zenwhat. The Article Rescue Squdron does not stop the deletion of articles - we cannot! The ultimate decision rests with the closing admin. We simply bring articles up to the standards required to be in wikipedia. "Blatant advertisement" is no reason to delete an article when it has established notability and is sourced, as Bawls is now. "Blatant advertisement" however is a reason to clean the article up, as was recommended in the last AfD. Fosnez (talk) 11:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Ronabop: Deletionists are like lone wolves. For some unknown reason (perhaps they are prone to some degree of elitism -- but it seems justifiable), they don't collaborate as much as they should. In a battle between one or two deletionists here and there and the squadron, the squadron generally wins. Bawls proved that, although I suspect you attempted to keep the article on Encyclopedia Dramatica up and failed because of how abundantly clear it was it was becoming a problem. You see the same issue from time-to-time with YTMND, when the internet memes article was often in horrible condition.

But there is further proof of the lone wolf nature of the deletionist: This discussion. It's just me, here. All the other deletionists are busy reading books on mainstream science, teaching college-level courses, and thinking intently on profound philosophical questions. Whereas Inclusionists are likely either--well--I dare not say. I'd speak freely but I don't want to violate WP:etiquette, especially not here where it would be suicide.

Fosnez: Yes you can, because you hijack debates through forcing a vote by appealing to the populist fallacy behind why WP:NOT states this place isn't a democracy. Frequently, in practice, Wikipedia works by WP:CONSENSUS where even spurious arguments hold weight. In practice, if there is a horde of users saying delete while citing as many unreliable and unverifiable sources they can rip from Google as they can -- if they are on an AfD, per Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators (which you guys have apparently mostly written), they are obligated to appease the mob's wishes. This is why this project has been a massive success at encouraging Wikipedia failure: It doesn't matter whether your arguments are well-founded. Just saying Keep - I like it is enough.

Saving articles in and of itself is not a good thing if they are bad articles. As a preemptive rebuttal to the question, "Who made you in charge of determining article quality?" I have three responses:

  • I'm a Wikipedia editor. Removing nonsense is part of my job.
  • Badness is not subjective. If it were, nobody would have any grounds to vote "keep," would they?
  • A question, in turn, for you: "Who made you in charge in determining the quality of my determining article quality?" Sheer elitism!

Lastly, exactly how is Bawls notable? In conclusion, by supporting "wild-eyed inclusionism" and holding a monopoly of opinion on deletion policy you have harmed this encyclopedia. Zenwhat (talk) 15:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh and Think of the children, really do you need to repost your rantings / soapboxing so we all know you disagree with something. Wikipedia is not, despite evidence to the contrary a social-networking site. It's also not an appropriate venue to spin drama. Coming here to post knowing that this project is here to rescue articles sure seems to be baiting. If you want to improve articles please do so. If you want want to help this project please feel free. Benjiboi 20:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I can see your pissed about something, The ARS may have worked on an article that you personally deemed unworthy to be included in wikipedia. I am not going to change your mind on this subject, and you are not going to change mine. We have both had our little rants now. My final comment will be that the ARS is not responible for the keeping or deleting of articles, we simply edit articles to bring them into line with wikipedia policy. If you really want to put a stop to the "blatant inclusionism" I suggest you go and take this up with each admin that keeps an article that you personally think should be deleted or have the WP:N policies changed. Fosnez (talk) 20:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Zenwhat, of course saving articles isn't a good thing if they're bad articles. What the ARS is about is changing bad articles into good articles and saving those. --Zeborah (talk) 02:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
User:Benjiboi, you're being uncivil. (frowny-face) Why does it seem to me that inclusionists are like hippies that suddenly turn into werewolves when inclusionism is attacked? Should Deletionists be deleted?

User:Fosnez, Assume good faith. There were a couple ArbCom decisions I've seen that were horrible and I've found it very difficult to fix Austrian economics and Eastern philosophy. Both cases demonstrate the problem of inclusionism: In both cases, my arguments were legitimate and the editors didn't even respond. In the former case, I firmly stood by my edits, in the latter case I let them go. Thus, on both articles, nonsense is still up but in the case of standing by my decision, I was blocked by an admin abusing their power.

It's not ARS, specifically: I just think you guys are a part of the problem.

You do have a blanket policy of saving pages. It's inherent in the project name and goal. You constantly scour Wikipedia for pages to save and, even if you claim to evaluate pages on a case-by-basis (which seems dubious, because of stuff like Bawls), that is nevertheless a blanket policy to save pages.

It's not any admins in particular I have a problem with, because as I've said, this is a problem with policy -- not a specific issue of mine. You seem to be assuming here that I am just some kind of POV-pushing troll that was upset because I couldn't violate a certain policy. That's understandable because there are a lot of people like that. But there are also a lot of good editors -- including experienced admins -- who listen to accusations like that and simply leave Wikipedia. This is what could be referred to as "Deleting deletionists" and inclusionists suddenly turn uncivil when it's pointed out.

You are responsible for deleting articles because you're an organized mob focused on AfD. The claim "but we're not wild-eyed inclusionists" is propaganda.

Now, if you expect me to help shift Wikipedia away from inclusionism by speaking to every admin on every article on Wikipedia that opposes an AfD for silly reasons -- come on, man. That seems unreasonable. I'm only human. If you can't expect one editor to watch their own pages for AfD tags, then it seems unreasonable to expect me to watch every page on Wikipedia that is nominated for deletion. I'm not The Flash. I suspect User:The Transhumanist is, though! Zenwhat (talk) 16:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Are you claiming that Bawls is lacking notability? Ie. there does not exist multiple independent sources for it. Because that is the extent of ARS involvement in the issue.
Taemyr (talk) 16:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Zenwhat is blatantly uncivil here, and this whole section could easily be seen as trolling. Consider this from him, starting with the section head: "Why are you hurting Wikipedia?" with its incorporated assumption. Then, "You are bad for Wikipedia." I.e., personalization of the issue. "You're an Inclusionist front organization and you know it." So, not only are those involved with the ARS "wild-eyed inclusionist," but they are deceptive pretenders. "Who made you in charge in determining the quality of my determining article quality? Sheer elitism!" (If someone interferes with Zenwhat's doing his self-appointed "job," they are "elitist." ARS members are *not* in charge of "determining quality," but stand as equals before the administrator who makes the decision.) "...by supporting "wild-eyed inclusionism" and holding a monopoly of opinion on deletion policy you have harmed this encyclopedia." "Wild-eyed inclusionism" would be a philosophy of including every submitted artlcle. The MediaWiki software is, iu fact, inclusionist, for all ordinary deletion does is to hide articles from ordinary users. Any encyclopedia must create a hierarchy of knowledge, or it becomes useless. I favor allowing all users to see deleted articles (but not through the ordinary indexes), so I'm personally something close to a "wild-eyed inclusionist," in a sense, but most ARS members, I think, don't agree with that. They are simply trying to assume good faith on the part of those who write articles, and help them to create a legitimate article.
Zenwhat continues, "All the other deletionists are busy reading books on mainstream science, teaching college-level courses, and thinking intently on profound philosophical questions. Whereas Inclusionists are likely either--well--I dare not say. I'd speak freely but I don't want to violate WP:etiquette, especially not here where it would be suicide." This is a remarkable piece of text in which he identifies himself as "deletionist," and then communicates that his true opinion of "inclusionists" would get him blocked. Which is *almost* as offensive as voicing that opinion; he has, in fact, said quite a bit already that is uncivil, so I can only assume that what he has refrained from saying would be, perhaps, scatalogically offensive, worthy of immediate block. He imagines that the reason "other deletionists" aren't backing him up here is that they are busying rsearching; yet my observation of the true "deletionists" mass-marking articles for deletion is that they too frequently don't do the most elementary research, they delete from their own quick opinion, or, sometimes, from bias. There is a whole debate over where to draw the line with Wikipedia articles, and, I've predicted, that debate is not going to go away, because it is inherently arbitrary and almost unavoidably elitist. But "deletionists" are, properly, those who have a strong opinion setting a high bar for articles to clear, and who are active enforcing this. Some of them are quite clearly sincere and work hard for the encyclopedia; but others are pursuing some strange personal agenda. And what Zenwhat is pursuing by posting his offensive claims here is not visible to me. He has personally attacked the Rescue Squadron and its members, but to what end? What did they *specifically* do to him? He hasn't told us.
Then, when his blatant trolling is pointed out to him, he asks that we Assume Good Faith. About what? He has not stated his intention, all he has done is to claim that "we" belong in this or that offensive category. It's just about pure personal attack. Does he have policy changes to suggest? Does he propose that the ARS disband? Does he wish to change some piece of text, i.e., instructions to ARS members as to how to function? Does he wish to caution ARS members against rescuing "nonsense"? All this would be legitimate.
Instead, he tells us that we are not as represented. This is, in fact, An assumption of bad faith, when he claims: "You do have a blanket policy of saving pages. It's inherent in the project name and goal. You constantly scour Wikipedia for pages to save and, even if you claim to evaluate pages on a case-by-basis (which seems dubious, because of stuff like Bawls), that is nevertheless a blanket policy to save pages." Who is "you"? Every member of ARS? Some particular member? I can say that I personally am not going to attempt to rescue a page of nonsense or belly-button lint reports. I'm only going to rescue a page that seems sufficiently notable to me to have an article. I had nothing to do with Bawls, and, indeed, the article somewhat reads like a press release from the company. But that is a *content* problem, not a notability problem, and should be dealt with through ordinary editing, with the whole conflict resolution process available if necessary, not through deletion. The *sole* question for deletion should be, in fact, notability. If a topic is notable but the information in the article is useless, any editor can stub it! There is no need to seek an AfD decision, and, in fact, AfD is not intended to be a response to content problems, except in certain narrow situations.
And then we get to the point. Zenwhat is standing against consensus. "There were a couple ArbCom decisions I've seen that were horrible." I've seen some poor decisions, as well, but nobody is perfect. ArbComm is pretty solid, in my experience, and I read a lot of ArbComm decisions. Arbcomm does not make content decisions, they make process decisions, on behalf of the community; they are the only mechanism for doing that in the presence of conflict that is not simply the decision of a single administrator, in the end. (AfD, for example, may solicit much comment, but a single admin makes the decision.) Zenwhat then points to content issues, apparently, with two articles, and to being blocked: "I was blocked by an admin abusing their power."
Here we come to the crux. If what Zenwhat is saying is true, there is process for dealing with it, and the ultimate appeal is to ArbComm. Administrators who have abused their blocking power have been de-sysopped. However, given Zenwhat's behavior here, I'm not surprised that he might be blocked. He does not seem to know how to behave civilly, to cooperate with people of different POVs to build the encyclopedia. Rather, he is right and they are [censored]. Wikipedia attracts far too many people like this; ultimately, we will need process to deal with such far more efficiently. Above, several editors patiently try to explain that ARS does not make inclusion/deletion decisions, that ARS only improves some articles so that they are not improperly deleted for content reasons, or finds notability proof when such is needed. And the opprobrium from Zenwhat only increases.
He wrote: "You seem to be assuming here that I am just some kind of POV-pushing troll that was upset because I couldn't violate a certain policy." Actually, I didn't notice anyone saying that, maybe I missed it. However, reviewing all the above, I do come to that conclusion. The "POV" though, is not some specific position, it is the more diffuse -- and dangerous -- "I am right," vigorously defended, with "counterattack," even pre-emptive attack, against those he thinks disagree with him.
He then continues: "That's understandable because there are a lot of people like that. But there are also a lot of good editors -- including experienced admins -- who listen to accusations like that and simply leave Wikipedia. This is what could be referred to as "Deleting deletionists" and inclusionists suddenly turn uncivil when it's pointed out."
Again, who was uncivil here? Wikipedia is indeed losing experienced administrators, and, even more, valuable editors, because of the massive inefficiency of the system. Any admin, though, had better be prepared to be accused of this or that offensive behavior, it goes with the territory, unless the admin simply doesn't do much of the job. Who made an accusation against an administrator here? Only Zenwhat. So I decided to look him up. First statement on his user page:
"I'm a polemic reactionary and a n00b. But I'm humble. If I say anything ridiculously stupid, call me on it and I'll likely acknowledge it." Okay, Zenwhat, you've said a series of things that are ridiculously stupid, I've documented them above. Your move. --Abd (talk) 20:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, please, could you get a room so the rest of us can please think of the children? Benjiboi 20:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

A request for comment

Template:Resolved Your opinions, please:

Operation Hump.

And also:

Wolfie

Template:Quotation In the meantime, please see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of asteroids/7201–7300. Zenwhat (talk) 22:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

All seem notable and perfect for wikipedia. Benjiboi 22:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
What should we be looking for? --Kizor 22:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Operation Hump lead to the first Medal of Honor being given to a black man since the end of the 19'th century. As such it is likely notable. Tone of the article could do with some work. I will either tag or nominate Wolfie for deletion as soon as I have read up on the notability criteria for bands. There is no real reason to keep the lists of asteroids, but earlier AfD's have ended with an overwhelming consensus to keep so I acknowledge that there is no good reason to delete either. Taemyr (talk) 23:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Not nominating. I am unsure about whether criteria 5 on WP:Music applies. Also, linked to from wikipedia is this [10] which is nontrivial, reliable is outside my ability to judge. Taemyr (talk) 23:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I think, from the quotation above, that Zenwhat was actually referring to Wolfie (disambiguation), and just gave us the wrong link to Wolfie. However, I can't see anything wrong with that, either, except the "d"s on the end of "nicknamed". Kizor asked the right question: what are we looking for? AndyJones (talk) 08:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) What is this asteroid AfD? WP:POINT? It would be insane to delete an article out of a middle of a numbered series. I did a little rummaging about, and Zenwhat was recently blocked (Jan 10, 24 hours) for edit warring on an article, where he may have been acting to keep fringe theory out of Wikipedia. He's been apparently sympathetic with User:ScienceApologist, whom I've encountered as a strong deletionist when it comes to what he considers (rightly or otherwise) pseudoscience, and who recently expressed his dislike of Wikipedia on Zenwhat's Talk page.[11] There is, indeed, an anti-pseudoscience or anti-quackery "cabal," which, besides being vigilant in keeping fringe theory out of articles (notable or not), often has used AfD to kill articles on alleged pseudoscience topics, claiming "quackery," for example. (Which is utterly irrelevant. Quack medical theory deserves an article if it is notable, AfD is not to be used to control content, it's a blunt instrument. People need to know about quack theories if they will encounter them, which is the core of notability: need to know. Useful knowledge. If it's quackery, call it a duck Anyway, this leads me to a theory of why Zenwhat was trolling here. He wants to get blocked again. Just a theory, and I'm not a mindreader. What in the world are you doing, Zenwhat? --Abd (talk) 04:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

To demonstrate to you all how I'm not a radical deletionist, I created an article that needs expanding, the inclusion of references, and protection from deletionists: Ball shagger. They sold this item at Wal-Mart, when I worked there and it is, so far as I know, the standard term for it, in America at least. I was surprised to see that the article didn't already exist. Yay for me being able to be the one to include the information! Your input is appreciated. Zenwhat (talk) 10:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I suggest you read WP:POINT. Taemyr (talk) 12:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
As for the article, it already exists so I have taken the liberty of redirecting Ball shagger to Ball washer. Taemyr (talk) 12:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Ah, thank you! Zenwhat (talk) 05:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Also, Taemyr: You misunderstand my intentions. It is not my intention to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point, but to help Wikipedia by making the point that this group's actions are disruptive. Zenwhat (talk) 05:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
You will note that intentions is not mentioned in WP:POINT. Taemyr (talk) 06:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Zenwhat, you have neither made your point nor your intentions clear, I suggest you do one or both at your earliest convenience. By now you should have a full understanding that we rescue articles from incorrect deletion by merely following guidelines and policy and improving them to a point that they are up to scratch for inclusion in wikipedia. If you still feel that this is not acceptable, then I suggest you rethink your involvement in wikipedia, because It'll be a cold day in hell before I/we stop improving articles nominated for deletion with resolvable reasons. Fosnez (talk) 07:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not going to bother continuing this discussion with unsubstantiated accusations of bad faith being justified by the fact that WP:POINT "doesn't mention intentions." ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 01:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Just as well. We probably lost the possibility of a productive discussion on this matter two sections ago. --Kizor 02:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Proposed changes to rescue template.

I have made this proposal on the talk page of the Rescue template; Template_talk:Rescue#Other_proposal. Discussion there has gone stale, is there anyone in ARS that has a problem with my suggested template; User:Taemyr/Rescue Taemyr (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:As this talk page is active please post here whatever proposal you have and link to your proposed template. Benjiboi 01:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

On further look, you got plenty of response but I will second what Fosnez stated that I find no problem with linking the template to our project page and will oppose removing that link. Benjiboi 01:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

New addition

Template:Resolved I added our template to Me and the Pumpkin Queen and have begun a pretty substantial revision since its nomination. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Bawls still needs cleaning up.

Template:Resolved It's been over a month since Bawls was last nominated for deletion. WP:ARS isn't supposed to be just about wikidemocratic vote-stacking. It's also supposed to be about cleaning up bad articles as noted above, correct? So, can somebody here work on Bawls? Is anybody here working on fixing it?

An anonymous user accused it of being an advert and I agree. Attempts to slap an advert tag on it, however, have been unsuccessful.

I would work on the article myself, but I think it should be flushed and I have absolutely no idea where you would find sources on this energy drink, other than the company's website or the "'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information" described in WP:V.

As an example of "I heard it from somewhere pseudoinformation", from the talkpage: Template:Quotation

According to WP:V, users should base their edits on verifiable, reliable sources and not on, for example, what they concluded from a conversation with their boyfriend, which is entirely irrelevant.

There are a few articles cited as sources, but they appear to be puff pieces published by less than a handful of mostly obscure organizations as infotainment. That Wikipedia should latch onto this poor journalistic integrity for the lulz is not a good thing and certainly not in accordance with WP:V or WP:Notability.

Then there's the links to websites owned by the company that makes Bawls. Does anyone here believe these are verifiable, reliable sources? ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 01:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course WP:ARS is not about vote-stacking. Articles are listed here to fix them & save them from deletion. And of course people will attempt to abuse this forum to save unworthy articles they wrote. However if people can't fix them, unfortunately they will be deleted.
As for this article, I had a glance at it & I'm not entirely the article succeeds in explaining why it is notable; I only learned which country this drink is sold in somewhere down towards the bottom of the page! I'm left with the sense that this is just another unsuccessful product after reading statements like "Due to the lack of sufficient market exposure, Bawls may be difficult to find in certain locations". Does this product have a cult following -- if so, then adding this information would help save it in my eyes. Otherwise, if this article is deleted I'll admit that I won't miss it. -- llywrch (talk) 07:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Your point is worthy of noting on the article's talk page, in fact I think this entire thread should be moved over there. Benjiboi 02:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Sources exist, that is sufficent to pass WP:NOTE. My problem with the current article is that it is written as an add. This ought to be fixable, although the fact that it's more than two years since this AfD indicates that it might not be. Taemyr (talk) 08:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
My point about the article wasn't to state that the subject wasn't worth an entry in Wikipedia -- nor that its problems aren't fixable -- but simply a critique of it in its current form, & a very subjective one at that (as the phrase "I'm not entirely the article succeeds in explaining why it is notable" ought to signal everyone). Unfortunately, this item has not attracted sufficient attention to rescue it so it might just get deleted, which would not be the end of the matter were it not for the uncomfortable fact that some Wikipedians find one successful AfD discussion for deletion as justification to keep articles deleted. :-( llywrch (talk) 17:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Zenwhat, your posts here seem to be baiting and although I have hope that you have familiarized yourself with ARS's structure and intent, which is pretty clear to most everyone else, let me state clearly that ARS is primarily to address articles that are slated to be deleted because they are in AfD process. Once an article is either deleted or saved then it is on its own. If you honestly are trying to help the Bawls article there are better ways to do so. If you want to re-nom for AfD I suppose that avenue is available as well. As for, yet again, stirring drama and accusing us of vote-staking, it's old and tiring, really I would hope you could find more constructive things then simply posting veiled attacks against this project here and elsewhere. If you want to discuss that article then take it there. Benjiboi 13:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I am not baiting here. I am assuming that your comments above about not being wild-eyed inclusionists were made in good faith. Based on that, I would like for you guys to fix Bawls, please.

At the very least, Bawls#References should not contain mostly numbered URLs to bawls.com. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 00:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Zenwhat, your concerns may be valid but they are misplaced. The atlk about improving that article please use that talk page. This project concerns articles within the AfD process. Benjiboi 08:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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